CLIMATE REALISM vs CLIMATE SOCIALISM

[Gunnar]

The guy is a lawyer, not a scientist. I thought you right wing guys hate lawyers. Asking him about climate science is like asking the plumber to give you a colonoscopy. They're all pipes after all

A lawyer you say? There are certainly lawyers who can intelligently and creditably discuss the facts and reality of climate change, and the science behind it. Res Ipsa is a prime example, but he bases his opinions on the science he gleaned from diligently researching and reading what actual climate scientists have to say about it, not on his own expertise as a lawyer. Unless the lawyer Am cited in his op has also done that, his views on the subject are of no more value than that of my barber. There are, unfortunately, a number of lawyers, even some relatively prominent lawyers, who are abysmally ignorant and/or dishonest about science, and willing to defend and support any nonsense or lie Trump and his sycophantic Republican supporters want them to.

[Chap]

I’m obviously in your head

Nope. I was just mildly curious.

So far my comments on this thread have taken less than about a minute of my time.

[Gunnar]

Anthony Watts speaks truth about climate change
https://youtu.be/ni1-KsDbvDs

No, he doesn't. He is one of the most notorious disseminators of climate change disinformation.

Anthony Watts, in an attempt to refute the climate change consensus commissioned Richard A. Muller, of the BEST project, who was initially a climate change skeptic to do an independent study of the evidence. Unfortunately, to Muller's surprise, and Watts' dismay, Muller's independent study confirmed the already existing scientific consensus, and being an honest scientist, that is what he reported.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Watts_(blogger)

BEST project, alleged doubling of trend by NOAA
Main article: Berkeley Earth
In March 2011 Watts visited the Berkeley Earth Temperature project (BEST), and said "I'm prepared to accept whatever result they produce, even if it proves my premise wrong."[8] In October the project released data and a draft of their paper which produced results supporting the existing scientific consensus. Watts said that its methodology was flawed, complaining that the BEST study analyzed a larger period than his own research, and that it was not yet peer reviewed.[8] Richard A. Muller, founder of BEST, later said their study directly addressed Watts' concern about the condition of weather stations; "we discovered that station quality does not affect the results. Even poor stations reflected temperature changes accurately."[57]

Around 22 July 2012, Watts heard that the BEST project was about to release further material, and decided to release a paper he and Evan Jones had been working on for about a year.[58] On 27 July he blogged that WUWT was suspended until noon on 29 July: "major announcement coming".[59] The New York Times published a summary of further draft results from BEST, including an announcement from Muller that their study now showed that humans "are almost entirely the cause" of the warming. Shortly afterwards, Watts announced his own team's draft paper which said that previously reported temperature rises had been "spuriously doubled", and made the serious accusation that NOAA had inflated the rate by erroneous adjustments to the data.[60][61] Climate scientists and other bloggers quickly found flaws in the paper. Steve McIntyre, whom Watts had named as a co-author, stressed that his involvement had been "very last minute and limited". He agreed with criticisms including the point that Watts had failed to correct for time of observation bias, and noted that independent satellite temperature measurements were closer to the NOAA figures.[62]

In 2012 BEST released its series of peer-reviewed papers confirming previous results that the surface temperature is rising.[63

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As said in the quote above, Anthony Watts' paper to counter Muller's report was so badly flawed that even Steve Mcintyre, originally the co-author of the paper distanced himself from it and rejected its conclusions

[Father Francis]

The guy is a lawyer, not a scientist. I thought you right wing guys hate lawyers. Asking him about climate science is like asking the plumber to give you a colonoscopy. They're all pipes after all.

A lawyer you say? There are certainly lawyers who can intelligently and creditably discuss the facts and reality of climate change, and the science behind it. Res Ipsa is a prime example, but he bases his opinions on the science he gleaned from diligently researching and reading what actual climate scientists have to say about it, not on his own expertise as a lawyer. Unless the lawyer Am cited in his opening post has also done that, his views on the subject are of no more value than that of my barber. There are, unfortunately, a number of lawyers, even some relatively prominent lawyers, who are abysmally ignorant and/or dishonest about science, and willing to defend and support any nonsense or lie Trump and his sycophantic Republican supporters want them to.

Point taken.

I kinda missed the mark here. My point was the guy got up there and spoke as if he was some kind of authority on climate. He's a lawyer for a conservative "thinktank " and has no business presenting himself an expert on climate change.

[Res Ipsa]

A lawyer you say? There are certainly lawyers who can intelligently and creditably discuss the facts and reality of climate change, and the science behind it. Res Ipsa is a prime example, but he bases his opinions on the science he gleaned from diligently researching and reading what actual climate scientists have to say about it, not on his own expertise as a lawyer. Unless the lawyer Am cited in his opening post has also done that, his views on the subject are of no more value than that of my barber. There are, unfortunately, a number of lawyers, even some relatively prominent lawyers, who are abysmally ignorant and/or dishonest about science, and willing to defend and support any nonsense or lie Trump and his sycophantic Republican supporters want them to.

Point taken.

I kinda missed the mark here. My point was the guy got up there and spoke as if he was some kind of authority on climate. He's a lawyer for a conservative "thinktank " and has no business presenting himself an expert on climate change

I've done lots and lots of reading on the subject, and I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but I would never present myself as any kind of expert on climate change.

Anthony Watts is a former TV Weather Forecaster who regularly gets the climate science wrong (and, coincidentally, always in a way that denies or minimizes the effects of global warming).

[Gunnar]

I kinda missed the mark here. My point was the guy got up there and spoke as if he was some kind of authority on climate. He's a lawyer for a conservative "thinktank " and has no business presenting himself an expert on climate change

I didn't look at Atlanticmike's link so I have no idea who was the lawyer mentioned, but from your description of him representing a conservative thinktank, I have very little doubt you are right. Is the thinktank in question the heritage institute by chance, the same one used by the tobacco industry to discredit the health hazards of smoking?

[Father Francis]

I kinda missed the mark here. My point was the guy got up there and spoke as if he was some kind of authority on climate. He's a lawyer for a conservative "thinktank " and has no business presenting himself an expert on climate change

I didn't look at Atlanticmike's link so I have no idea who was the lawyer mentioned, but from you description of him representing a conservative thinktank, I have very little doubt you are right. Is the thinktank in question the heritage institute by chance, the same one used by the tobacco industry to discredit the health hazards of smoking?

Yes, it is the Heritage Institute.

[Gunnar]

Yes, it is the Heritage Institute

I thought so! That pretty much puts the kibosh on any confidence in their credibility.

[Gunnar]

I've done lots and lots of reading on the subject, and I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but I would never present myself as any kind of expert on climate change.

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Yes, I know that about you, which is why I respect and admire you so much. Nevertheless, you do know much more about this issue than the vast majority of people. Probably more than me.

Anthony Watts is a former TV Weather Forecaster who regularly gets the climate science wrong (and, coincidentally, always in a way that denies or minimizes the effects of global warming).

Yes, I know that too. I would like to know what his issue is with climate change and why he is so adamant about minimizing the reality of it.

[Atlanticmike]

David Legates pH.D. The IPCC and (broken) climate models.
https://youtu.be/Hs6lDsFipjM