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Your teacher was correct. The first official English grammars were based on Latin grammars. That’s where the odd rules like don’t split infinitives and don’t end sentences in prepositions come from.
Can you show me a link on this? Is this prior to the Norman invasion of England?
And when the Confederates saw Jackson standing fearless like a stonewall, the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
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So her position has been consistent and has nothing to do with antisemitism. She is willing to be politically incorrect by criticizing Israel where people like you think it is above reproach. Several years ago Israel was busted after one of their warships targeted a beach where there were four Palestinian children playing soccer and all of them were killed. But Israel gets to act with impunity in the minds of America's political Right.

Or what about the American citizen Rachel Corrie who protested the Israeli practice of bulldozing the homes of Palestinians, as they violate one UN Resolution after another? She stood in front of a bulldozer and the Israeli drove right over her, crushing her to death. What did America do as a response? Well, we gave Israel a few billion more of our tax dollars so they can enjoy things like free socialized healthcare at your expense. But you're good with funding Israeli medical care, but not poor Americans.
I was talking about iron dome funding, not Israeli welfare programs. What's wrong with intercepting rockets that Hamas fires upon Israeli civilians? I agree that it would be much less expensive if Ilhan Omar would convince her Hamas allies to not fire rockets at Israeli civilians. Does she realize that if more of those rockets find their target that Israel will retaliate? What other reason could there be for not funding Iron dome than to ensure that Hamas rockets meet their target and more Jewish civilians are killed by people who contend they have no right to exist.
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Fri Dec 17, 2021 12:32 pm
So her position has been consistent and has nothing to do with antisemitism. She is willing to be politically incorrect by criticizing Israel where people like you think it is above reproach. Several years ago Israel was busted after one of their warships targeted a beach where there were four Palestinian children playing soccer and all of them were killed. But Israel gets to act with impunity in the minds of America's political Right.

Or what about the American citizen Rachel Corrie who protested the Israeli practice of bulldozing the homes of Palestinians, as they violate one UN Resolution after another? She stood in front of a bulldozer and the Israeli drove right over her, crushing her to death. What did America do as a response? Well, we gave Israel a few billion more of our tax dollars so they can enjoy things like free socialized healthcare at your expense. But you're good with funding Israeli medical care, but not poor Americans.
I was talking about iron dome funding, not Israeli welfare programs. What's wrong with intercepting rockets that Hamas fires upon Israeli civilians? I agree that it would be much less expensive if Ilhan Omar would convince her Hamas allies to not fire rockets at Israeli civilians. Does she realize that if more of those rockets find their target that Israel will retaliate? What other reason could there be for not funding Iron dome than to ensure that Hamas rockets meet their target and more Jewish civilians are killed by people who contend they have no right to exist.
It doesn't matter what you're talking about, it all goes into the same pool. If Israel didn't provide free healthcare to its citizens then it could afford to fund its own defenses. At the end of the day it is still YOU paying YOUR tax dollars to benefit a foreign country that MURDERED an American citizen and continues to commit heinous crimes according to international laws. And you're OK with that. The 9-11 attackers were from Saudi Arabia, a country that still practices slavery. And you're ok with Trump selling them our weapons. Israel is one of only nine nuclear powers. It has its own government and has a vibrant economy, so they can support themselves at this point without leaching off our tax dollars. We've been giving them state of the art weaponry for decades now so when does it end? Never? Socialism for the Israelis because idiots in America's Right think that's God's chosen people.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
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I'm pretty sure if Xanax were called a 'c********** f*****' by black people on a regular basis he'd be filled with rage. No matter how much Xanax would tell himself he's not a 'c********** f*****' after a while of being called a 'c********** f*****' he'd be ready to kick off that civil war he's desperate for others to start.

You see, whether or not Xanax is a 'c********** f*****" is besides the point. It's the sheer disrespect at being consistently called a 'c********** f*****' by people who know knothing about him, but act so crassly, so consistently demeaning toward him, that it'd eventually tear at his soul.

His argument is just a supremely arrogant and obtuse hot take to justify his racism.

[light edit for some terminology that is a touch too salty for SP - cp]

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I’ll note that once again Xanax pivoted to some new grievance right after this point ^ . This is how it works with him:

1) He refused to acknowledge someone occupying a literal position of power within a literal institution using bigoted language was a problem.

2) He literally won’t acknowledge that words used by one race to demean people of another race do, in fact, have an effect on all parties.

3) Now he’s on about Jews/Israel being treated poorly by a black woman or whatever, which is insanely ironic given the South’s historic relationship with Jews, Stormfront’s political view of Jews, and Andrew Jackson owning slaves, deporting the Cherokee, and his antisemitism.

So it’s just pivot off of #1, then pivot off of #2, and he’ll pivot off of #3 to some new grievance. I posted it here a week or two ago, but it was a list of tactics to use by “swarmfront” when engaging people on the internet, which is just racists pushing their agitprop. The big thing for these cock guzzling illiterates is to always stay on the offensive. Never concede a point. Just quickly keep shifting the topic so they’re always laying out grievances. The point isn’t to have an actual discussion where learning can take place, but it’s to spam their targets with agitprop.

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Or what about the American citizen Rachel Corrie who protested the Israeli practice of bulldozing the homes of Palestinians, as they violate one UN Resolution after another? She stood in front of a bulldozer and the Israeli drove right over her, crushing her to death.
Hmmm. Someone was helping the Palestinians to defend what they considered to be their land. That population has been living there for many centuries. Some early Zionists, including Ben-Gurion, made the not unreasonable speculation that the Muslim population of Palestine were in fact the descendants of the poor rural inhabitants of ancient Israel, who had simply remained in place, changing their religion to Christianity and then (mostly) to Islam to reflect the orientation of the powers that ruled the land - the Byzantine empire followed by the succession of Islamic empires leading to the Ottomans. They were probably not correct about that, but those people have been in place for many centuries, certainly for more than a thousand years.

And as we know, Ajax thinks that defending one's land is a right and proper, even admirable thing, as his sig line suggests:
And when the Confederates saw Jackson standing fearless like a stonewall, the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
Now the troops of the Confederate army came from families that had mostly been on the American continent for a couple of hundred years at most. The land they were defending as their own had previously been the territory of Native Americans, who had been (often violently) dispossessed. So if Ajax admires them for defending 'their land' surely he must admire and support the Palestinians and those who try to help them do the same for their land.

[For the avoidance of doubt: I have no ready-made solution to the Palestinian/Israeili conflict. But so far as I am concerned any solution involving the destruction of the state of Israel is a non-starter.]
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Your teacher was correct. The first official English grammars were based on Latin grammars. That’s where the odd rules like don’t split infinitives and don’t end sentences in prepositions come from.
Can you show me a link on this? Is this prior to the Norman invasion of England?
Sure. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History ... h_grammars

Do you have an earlier example?
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ajax18 wrote:
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A good example of word that was originally intended to be an insult to WASP North Americans is "gringo."
When Mexicans first encountered American immigrants in Texas in the 1800s, they were always singing the song "Green Grows the Lilacs". To the Mexicans, it sounded like Gringoes.

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Res Ipsa wrote:
Fri Dec 17, 2021 3:15 pm
ajax18 wrote:
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Can you show me a link on this? Is this prior to the Norman invasion of England?
Sure. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History ... h_grammars

Do you have an earlier example?
No I don't, but your link is interesting. Linguistics is a hobby of mine, especially old English and older Indoeuropean languages.
Even as late as the early nineteenth century, Lindley Murray, the author of one of the most widely used grammars of the day, was having to cite "grammatical authorities" to bolster the claim that grammatical cases in English are different from those in Ancient Greek or Latin.
I just knew that Old English had masculine, feminine , and neuter nouns similar to other Germanic languages during the Anglo Saxon period. Even though the original speakers of the protoindoeuropean language were illiterate, the language still had a much more complicated grammar than what exists today in any of their descendant languages. And the fact is that Germanic and Latin languages more than likely descend from the same protoIndoeuropean language. While these languages evolved differently in terms of grammar, it shouldn't be surprising that many of the cases, declensions, and conjugations are common to both language families.

So while your link says that early scholars tried to shoehorn Latin grammar into English grammar because Latin was the language of the literate, that doesn't mean that old Saxon and Mercian dialects didn't have their own rigid grammar just as Russian, German, Gaelic, or Latin. Much of this grammar was lost probably due to the Old Norse influence according to Simon Roper even before the Norman invasion. And while Old Norman French contributed a lot of words to modern English, it didn't influence English syntax much.
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ajax18 wrote:
Fri Dec 17, 2021 4:36 pm
Res Ipsa wrote:
Fri Dec 17, 2021 3:15 pm


Sure. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History ... h_grammars

Do you have an earlier example?
No I don't, but your link is interesting. Linguistics is a hobby of mine, especially old English and older Indoeuropean languages.
Even as late as the early nineteenth century, Lindley Murray, the author of one of the most widely used grammars of the day, was having to cite "grammatical authorities" to bolster the claim that grammatical cases in English are different from those in Ancient Greek or Latin.
I just knew that Old English had masculine, feminine , and neuter nouns similar to other Germanic languages during the Anglo Saxon period. Even though the original speakers of the protoindoeuropean language were illiterate, the language still had a much more complicated grammar than what exists today in any of their descendant languages. And the fact is that Germanic and Latin languages more than likely descend from the same protoIndoeuropean language. While these languages evolved differently in terms of grammar, it shouldn't be surprising that many of the cases, declensions, and conjugations are common to both language families.

So while your link says that early scholars tried to shoehorn Latin grammar into English grammar because Latin was the language of the literate, that doesn't mean that old Saxon and Mercian dialects didn't have their own rigid grammar just as Russian, German, Gaelic, or Latin. Much of this grammar was lost probably due to the Old Norse influence according to Simon Roper even before the Norman invasion. And while Old Norman French contributed a lot of words to modern English, it didn't influence English syntax much.
It sounds like your interest in this topic has something to do with the notion of Aryan superiority. I mean, you took a non-controversial statement of your teacher and added it to your bundle of grievances, as if the statement were some kind of slur on the German roots of English.

Hasn’t it been pretty well accepted since Chomsky that grammar is essentially hard wired into humans? Are there any languages that don’t have some type of grammar? Is it even possible to have a language that has no grammar?

So, why is the history of language important to you, and why did you bring it up in this discussion?
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Hasn’t it been pretty well accepted since Chomsky that grammar is essentially hard wired into humans? Are there any languages that don’t have some type of grammar? Is it even possible to have a language that has no grammar?
If this is true then how is saying that English grammar comes from Latin an accurate statement? The grammar was there before Anglo Saxons learned how to speak Latin.
So, why is the history of language important to you, and why did you bring it up in this discussion?
Because of Icarus's insult about my grammar.

I'm interested in European linguistics because those are my ancestors. People who think this is racist and wrong are why everyone should post under a pseudonym and doxing should never be allowed. Hopefully once we break the liberal monopoly on social media, we'll be able to talk about things like protoindoeuropean languages and say words like Anglo Saxon, Germanic, Norse, Roman, and even Greek.
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