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Re: Joe the Archeologist

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Feb 08, 2022 7:54 pm
You are imputing motivation that is your own. Or others. Joseph was of course tempted by the possibility of wealth from the plates. He was encouraged/chastised as a result. Joseph knew God was watching and that he was accountable to Him. Why would he then go after relics to the exclusion of all else, including his soul?

Joseph's later narrative said he was tempted by the plates on account of the gold. That sounds like a natural instinct for anyone. That was part of his story. There was no angel and no plates on top of Cumorah -- no armor, no coins, no bones, no nothing. It was all a story for the purpose of selling himself and his book -- 5,000 copies to start.

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It wasn’t what he was concerned with. He had a WHOLE LOT of other things on his mind and a multiplicity of things demanding his attention. You make it sound as though he should have had a one track mind in regards to Book of Mormon geography.

Joseph didn't have a one track mind in presenting or proving his Book of Mormon geography because he knew there was nothing he could do about it. I however, have a one track mind in proving Smith was pulling the wool over the eyes of his readers into thinking there was such place. The Land of Nephi was fiction and Smith knew it and I know it.

MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Feb 08, 2022 7:54 pm
The fledgling church was under a great deal of financial stress. Joseph was subject to the same impulses the rest of us are. He saw a possibility of an instant solution to a problem. He ended up being disappointed. Have you ever experienced a similar situation?

The fledging church might have had greater success finding treasure in the buried ruins of Bountiful or Zarahemla rather than chasing off to Salem over rumors of buried money, do you think? But Joseph Smith was not interested in Book of Mormon geography in the least bit. And for good reason, he knew it was just a story and there were no droids to be found there. And yet, the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator, being filled with the Spirit fell for it and went to Salem on the church dime.

To answer your question; I've been disappointed in life but not on the account of looking for lost treasure in thinking I was being led to find it.

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Tue Feb 08, 2022 7:54 pm
This is where I find you delving into a fantasy world of your own making. I understand that this is the world that you inhabit and that as a result of your life experience this would be the only possible alternative that makes sense to you.

I'm confident that the seven billion people in the world today will side with me and find my reality to be better than the reality Joseph Smith was selling. You've already admitted that readers in this forum are overwhelmingly siding with me that Smith made it all up. The same goes for the world. Only the Mormons see otherwise in order to live in a creative reality based on Smith's story being true.

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Tue Feb 08, 2022 7:54 pm
But why would he? Especially if he wasn’t privy to that information. You seem to have the belief that Joseph Smith had everything handed to him on a silver platter. That is OBVIOUSLY not true.

I've read all of the teachings and boastings of Joseph Smith. He claimed to have everything handed to him on a silver platter! Section 76 of the D&C! He saw the Three Degrees? How many angels appeared to Joseph and handed him all the promises of the world? Smith's claims to visions and revelations are off the chart -- he claimed to have it all. He was proud and boastful. It went to his head. It cost him his life.
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Re: Joe the Archeologist

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Feb 08, 2022 8:00 pm
...on the assumption that you’re in your mid twenties going on thirty?
What a great guess! I've been told I'll be 29 again on my next birthday. : D
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Re: Joe the Archeologist

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Marcus wrote:
Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:11 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Feb 08, 2022 8:00 pm
...on the assumption that you’re in your mid twenties going on thirty?
What a great guess! I've been told I'll be 29 again on my next birthday. : D
Yeah, women never make it past twenty nine. Hang in there Lemmie. You’re not getting older, your just getting better.

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Re: Joe the Archeologist

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:16 pm
Marcus wrote:
Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:11 pm

What a great guess! I've been told I'll be 29 again on my next birthday. : D
Yeah, women never make it past twenty nine. Hang in there Lemmie. You’re not getting older, your just getting better.

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Aww, you're too sweet, but I'm taken dude.
I'm pretty sure Shulem is too, so if you're searching this is not the place. : D Who's Lemmie?
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Re: Joe the Archeologist

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Marcus wrote:
Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:22 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:16 pm


Yeah, women never make it past twenty nine. Hang in there Lemmie. You’re not getting older, your just getting better.

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MG
Aww, you're too sweet, but I'm taken dude.
I'm pretty sure Shulem is too, so if you're searching this is not the place. : D Who's Lemmie?
I’m happily married to the bestest woman in the world. For me. 😉

You had me beginning to believe in reincarnation. Lemmie is a poster whom I haven’t seen around here in a while. Seems like she may have disappeared about the same time you appeared. You have some common practices/characteristics.

Truth be told, she did seem as though she might be older than you. But you know, reincarnation.

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Re: Joe the Archeologist

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:53 pm
Marcus wrote:
Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:22 pm


Aww, you're too sweet, but I'm taken dude.
I'm pretty sure Shulem is too, so if you're searching this is not the place. : D Who's Lemmie?
I’m happily married to the bestest woman in the world. For me. 😉

You had me beginning to believe in reincarnation. Lemmie is a poster whom I haven’t seen around here in a while. Seems like she may have disappeared about the same time you appeared. You have some common practices/characteristics.

Truth be told, she did seem as though she might be older than you. But you know, reincarnation.

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MG
Ok. Well, searching for a poster from the past, especially among the guys here, doesn't seem like a healthy pursuit. I'd recommend sticking to the topic, if you can. Shulem's got a lot to offer!
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Re: Joe the Archeologist

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Marcus wrote:
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Shulem's got a lot to offer!

Yes, I do.
Google God wrote:If there are approximately 7.442 billion people on the earth, give or take, the approximate percentage of the earth's population that are members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is 0.2134%.

There are two kinds of people in the world:

1. Those who REJECT the Book of Mormon
2. Those who ACCEPT the Book of Mormon

The overwhelming vast majority of the population of the world (billions) would gladly embrace my idea about how Joseph Smith duped his followers with a fictitious geography made up out of whole cloth in order to sell a story in a book consisting of fiction.

Now, with that said, considering how few there are compared to the world population, those that accept the Book of Mormon as a historical record, I think it safe to say that Mormons who claim the Book of Mormon can be proved with archeological evidence are nothing less than weirdos.
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Oliver Cowdery, Second Elder of the Church
Oliver Cowdery, Assistant President of the Church wrote:
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At about one mile west rises another ridge of less height, running parallel with the former, leaving a beautiful vale between. The soil is of the first quality for the country, and under a state of cultivation, which gives a prospect at once imposing, when one reflects on the fact, that here, between these hills, the entire power and national strength of both the Jaredites and Nephites were destroyed.

By turning to the 529th and 530th pages of the Book of Mormon you will read Mormon’s account of the last great struggle of his people, as they were encamped round this hill Cumorah.


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In this same spot, in full view from the top of this same hill, one may gaze with astonishment upon the ground which was twice covered with the dead and dying of our fellow men.
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Shulem wrote:
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The soil is of the first quality for the country, and under a state of cultivation, which gives a prospect at once imposing, when one reflects on the fact, that here, between these hills, the entire power and national strength of both the Jaredites and Nephites were destroyed.

In this same spot, in full view from the top of this same hill, one may gaze with astonishment upon the ground which was twice covered with the dead and dying of our fellow men.
It would be fun to see a DNA microfossil sequencing of this area. Sort of sluice out the Nephites of the Gap.

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Re: From the Second Elder of the Church via the First Elder

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Let's review

The Testimony was twice published as revelation from God and was binding on the Latter-day Saints. It was NOT given as mere (uninspired) OPINIONS of the First & Second Elders of the Church. It was the voice of the Lord given to the world as testimony through the presiding elders.

Shulem wrote:
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Here is ABSOLUTE PROOF of Oliver Cowdery testifying that Cumorah in which the plates were deposited *is* the very Cumorah within the vicinity of which the Jaredites and Nephites were destroyed. There is nothing to argue; they are one in the same. The testimony was given by the Second Elder of the church and is binding and authoritative. It was published in the church periodical LATTER DAY SAINTS' MESSENGER AND ADVOCATE upon Joseph Smith's direct approval!

Transcript of Oliver Cowdery letter that was later published in the Latter Day Saints’ Messenger and Advocate wrote:
Oliver Cowdery Letter

I must now give you some description of the place where, and the manner in which these records were deposited.

You are acquainted with the mail road from Palmyra, Wayne Co. to Canandaigua, Ontario Co. N.Y. and also, as you pass from the former to the latter place, before arriving at the little village of Manchester, say from three to four, or about four miles from Palmyra, you pass a large hill on the east side of the road. Why I say large, is because it is as large perhaps, as any in that country. To a person acquainted with this road, a description would be unnecessary, as it is the largest and rises the highest of any on that rout. The north end rises quite sudden until it assumes a level with the more southerly extremity, and I think I may say an elevation higher than at the south a short distance, say half or three fourths of a mile. As you pass toward canandaigua it lessens gradually until the surface assumes a level with the more southerly extremity, and I think I may, its common level, or is broken by other smaller hills or ridges, water courses and ravines. I think I am justified in saying that this is the highest hill for some distance round, and I am certain that its appearance, as it rises so suddenly from a plain on the north, must attract the notice of the traveller as he passes by.

At about one mile west rises another ridge of less height, running parallel with the former, leaving a beautiful vale between. The soil is of the first quality for the country, and under a state of cultivation, which gives a prospect at once imposing, when one reflects on the fact, that here, between these hills, the entire power and national strength of both the Jaredites and Nephites were destroyed.

By turning to the 529th and 530th pages of the Book of Mormon you will read Mormon’s account of the last great struggle of his people, as they were encamped round this hill Cumorah. (it is printed Camorah, which is an error.) In this vally fell the remaining strength and pride of a once powerful people, the Nephites—once so highly favored of the Lord, but at that time in darkness, doomed to suffer extermination by the hand of their barbarous and uncivilized brethren. From the top of this hill, Mormon, with a few others, after the battle, gazed with horror upon the mangled remains of those who, the day before, were filled with anxiety, hope or doubt. A few had fled to the South, who were hunted down by the victorious party, and all who would not deny the Saviour and his religion, were put to death. Mormon himself, according to the record of his son Moroni, was also slain.

But a long time previous to this disaster it appears from his own account, he foresaw approaching destruction. In fact, if he perused the records of his fathers, which were in his possession, he could have learned that such would be the case. Alma, who lived before the coming of the Messiah, prophesies this. He, however, by divine appointment, abridged from those records, in his own style and language, a short account of the more important and prominent items, from the days of Lehi to his own time, after which he deposited, as he says, on the 529th page, all the records in this same hill, Cumorah and after gave his small record to his son Moroni, who, as appears from the same, finished, after witnessing the extinction of his people as a nation.

It was not the wicked who overcame the righteous; far from this: it was the wicked against the wicked, and by the wicked the wicked were punished.— The Nephites who were once enlightened, had fallen from a more elevated standing as to favour and privilege before the Lord in consequence of the righteousness of their fathers, and now falling below, for such was actually the case, were suffered to be overcome, and the land was left to the possession of the red men, who were without inteligence, only in the affairs of their wars; and having no records, only preserving their history by tradition from father to son, lost the account of their true origin, and wandered from river to river, from hill to hill, from mountain to mountain, and from sea to sea, till the land was again peopled, in a measure, by a rude, wild, revengful, warlike and barbarous race.— Such are our indians.

This hill, by the Jaredites, was called Ramah: by it, or around it pitched the famous army of Coriantumr their tents. Coriantumr was the last king of the Jaredites The opposing army were to the west, and in this same vally, and near by, from day to day, did that mighty race spill their blood, in wrath, contending, as it were, brother against brother, and father, against son. In this same spot, in full view from the top of this same hill, one may gaze with astonishment upon the ground which was twice covered with the dead and dying of our fellow men.
Shulem wrote:
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Shulem wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:42 am
Here is ABSOLUTE PROOF of Oliver Cowdery testifying that Cumorah in which the plates were deposited *is* the very Cumorah within the vicinity of which the Jaredites and Nephites were destroyed. There is nothing to argue; they are one in the same. The testimony was given by the Second Elder of the church and is binding and authoritative. It was published in the church periodical LATTER DAY SAINTS' MESSENGER AND ADVOCATE upon Joseph Smith's direct approval!


Oliver Cowdery's personal *testimony* of the actual physical location of the Hill Cumorah as it relates to the story told in the Book of Mormon was published in the LATTER DAY SAINTS' MESSENGER AND ADVOCATE provided in the link above.

With that said, the testimony was so important that it was later published in the official church periodical TIMES AND SEASONS in 1841, scroll down to lower half of page 378.

Again, all of this meets with President Joseph Smith's direct approval. The editor of the Times and Seasons for that edition was Don Carlos Smith, brother of the prophet Joseph Smith. All of this is absolute PROOF that Joseph Smith taught and testified that the Hill Cumorah in New York State was the actual battle ground in which the ancient Nephites perished. This testimony from the prophet and the Second Elder of the church cannot be impeached or denied by modern apologists who are trying to change the story to meet their own vain expectations! Nobody can change the testimony given by Joseph Smith & Oliver Cowdery!

Nobody!
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And now more from the personal testimony of Oliver Cowdery which continued in the very next publication of the Times and Seasons in May of 1841 taken from:

Oliver Cowdery, “Letter VIII,” October 1835

Oliver Cowdery wrote:
. . . It was at the second mentioned place where the record was found deposited, on the west side of the hill, not far from the top down its side; and when myself visited the place in the year 1830, there were several trees standing: enough to cause a shade in summer, but not so much as prevent the surface being covered with grass-which was also the case when the record was first found.

Whatever may be the feelings of men on the reflection of past acts which have been performed on certain portions or spots of this earth, I know not neither does it add or diminish to nor from the reality of my subject. When Moses heard the voice of God, at the foot of Horeb, out of the burning bush, he was commanded to take his shoes off his feet, for the ground on which he stood was holy. The same may be observed when Joshua beheld the "Captain of the Lord's host" by Jericho.-And I confess that my mind was filled with many reflection; and though I did not then loose my shoe, yet with gratitude to God did I offer up the sacrifice of my heart.

How far below the surface these records were placed by Moroni, I am unable to say;


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It is sufficient for my present purpose, to know, that such is the fact: that in 1823, yes 1823, a man with whom I have had the most intimate and personal acquaintance, for almost seven years, actually discovered by the vision of God, the plates from which the Book of Mormon, as much as it is disbelieved, was translated!

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The manner in which the plates were deposited: First a hole of sufficient depth, (how deep I know not,) was dug. At the bottom of this was laid a stone of suitable size the upper surface being smooth. At each edge was placed a large quantity of cement, and into this cement, at the four edges of this stone, were placed, erect, four others, their bottom edges resting in the cement at the outer edges of the first stone. The four last named, when placed erect, formed a box, the corners, or where the edges of the four came in contact, were also cemented so firmly that the moisture from without was prevented from entering. It is to be observed, also, that the inner surface of the four erect, or side stones was smooth.

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I have now given you, according to my promise, the manner in which this record was deposited; though when it was first visited by our brother, in 1823, a part of the crowning stone was visible above the surface while the edges were conceald [concealed] by the soil and grass, from which circumstance you will see, that however deep this box might have been placed by Moroni at first, the time had been sufficient to wear the earth so that it was easily discovered, when once directed, and yet not enough to make a perceivable difference to the passer by.

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You will have wondered, perhaps, that the mind of our brother should be so occupied with the thoughts of the goods of this world, at the time arriving at Cumorah, on the morning of the 22nd of September, 1823, after having been wrapt [rapt] in the visions of heaven during the night, and also seeing and hearing in open day;

<blah blah blah>

As ever your brother in the Lord Jesus.

Oliver Cowdery.

To W. W. Phelps


Thus, Oliver considered the territory hallowed grounds much like Moses & Joshua upon the ground they walked during their biblical quests. Oliver testified earlier that this very spot of ground was where the Nephites fought their battles and perished as a nation. Nobody was more qualified to speak about the sacred nature of the land in New York State other than the prophet Joseph Smith who fully instructed Oliver in everything he needed to know.

Let's highlight the revelatory language and expression tendered by Elder Cowdery in his authoritative declaration given in the LATTER DAY SAINTS' MESSENGER AND ADVOCATE (beginning at page 155 in the link previously provided) prior to revealing the physical location of the final Book of Mormon wars that were fought at Cumorah in New York State. Elder Cowdery relates to the personal visitations of the angel Moroni to Joseph Smith in revealing the Book of Mormon. This address was given under the direction and blessing of President Joseph Smith.

Elder Oliver Cowdery, LATTER DAY SAINTS' MESSENGER AND ADVOCATE wrote:
DEAR BROTHER:-Circumstances having heretofore intervened to prevent my addressing you previously upon the history of this church, you will not attribute the neglect to any want on my part, of a disposition to prosecute a subject so dear to me and so important to every saint, living as we do in the day when the Lord has began to fulfil his covenants to his long-dispersed and afflicted people.

Since my last yours of May and June have been received. It will not be expected that I shall digress so far from my object, as to go into particular explanations on different items contained in yours; but as all men are deeply interested on the great matter of revelation, I indulge a hope that you will present such facts as are plain and uncontrovertible, both from our former scriptures and the Book of Mormon, to show that such is not only consistent with the character of the Lord, but absolutely necessary to the fulfillment of that sacred volume, so tenaciously admired by professors of religion-I mean that called the Bible.

You have, no doubt, as well as myself, frequently heard those who do not pretend to an "experimental" belief in the Lord Jesus, say, with those who do, that, (to use a familiar phrase,) "any tune can be played upon the Bible:" What is here meant to be conveyed, I suppose, is, that proof can be adduced from that volume, to support as many different systems as men please to choose: one saying this is the way, and the other, this is the way, while the third says, that it is all false, and that he can "play this tune upon it." If this is so, alas for our condition: admit this to be the case, and either wicked and designing men have taken from it those plain and easy items, or it never came from Deity, if that Being is perfect and consistent in his ways.

But although I am ready to admit that men, in previous generations, have, with polluted hands and corrupt hearts, taken from the sacred oracles many precious items which were plain of comprehension, for the main purpose of building themselves up in the trifling things of this world, yet, when it is carefully examined, a straight forward consistency will be found, sufficient to check the vicious heart of man and teach him to revere a word so precious, handed down to us from our fathers, teaching us that by faith we can approach the same benevolent Being, and receive for ourselves a sure word of prophecy, which will serve as a light in a dark place, to lead to those

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things within the vail, where peace, righteousness and harmony, in one uninterrupted round, feast the inhabitants of those blissful regions in endless day.

Scarce can the reflecting mind be brought to contemplate these scenes, without asking, for whom are they held in reserve, and by whom are they to be enjoyed? Have we an interest there? Do our fathers, who have waded through affliction and adversity, who have been cast out from the society of this world, whose tears have, times without number, watered their furrowed face, while mourning over the corruption of their fellowmen, an inheritance in those mansions? If so, can they without us be made perfect? Will their joy be full till we rest with them? And is their efficacy and virtue sufficient, in the blood of a Savior, who groaned upon Calvary's summit, to expiate our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness? I trust, that as individuals acquainted with the gospel, through repentance, baptism and keeping the commandments of that same Lord, we shall eventually, be brought to partake in the fulness [fullness] of that which we now only participate-the full enjoyment of the presence of our Lord. Happy indeed, will be that hour to all the saints, and above all to be desired, (for it never ends) when men will again mingle praise with those who do always behold the face of our Father who is in heaven.

You will remember that in my last I brought my subject down to the evening, or night of the 21st of September, 1823, and gave an outline of the conversation of the angel upon the important fact of the blessings, promises and covenants to Israel, and the great manifestations of favor to the world, in the ushering in of the fulness [fullness] of the gospel, to prepare the way for the second advent of the Messiah, when he comes in the glory of the Father with the holy angels.

A remarkable fact is to be noticed with regard to this vision. In ancient time the Lord warned some of his servants in dreams: for instance, Joseph, the husband of Mary, was warned in a dream to take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt: also, the wise men were warned of the Lord in a dream not to return to Herod; and when "out of Egypt the Son was called," the angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph again: also he was warned in a dream to turn aside into the parts of Galilee. Such were the manifestations to Joseph, the favored descendant of the father of the faithful in dreams, and in them the Lord fulfilled his purposes: But the tone of which I have been speaking is what would have been called an open vision. And though it was in the night, yet it was not a dream. There is no room for conjecture in this matter, and to talk of deception would be to sport with the common sense of every man who knows when he is awake, when he sees and when he does not see.

He could not have been deceived in the fact that a being of some kind appeared to him; and that it was an heavenly one, the fulfillment of his words, so minutely, up to this time, in addition to the truth and word of salvation which has been developed to this generation, in the Book of Mormon, ought to be conclusive evidence to the mind of every man who is privileged to hear of the same. He was awake, and in solemn prayer, as you will bear in mind, when the angel made his appearance; from that glory which surrounded him the room was lit up to a perfect brilliancy, so that darkness wholly disappeared: he heard his words with his ears, and received a joy and happiness indescribable by hearing that his own sins were forgiven, and his former transgressions to be remembered against him no more, if he then continued to walk before the Lord according to his holy commandments. He also saw him depart, the light and glory withdraw, leaving a calmness and peace of soul past the language of man to paint-Was he deceived?

Far from this; for the vision was renewed twice before morning, unfolding farther and still farther the mysteries of godliness and those things to come. In the morning he went to his labor as usual, but soon the vision of the heavenly messenger was renewed, instructing him to go immediately and view those things of which he had been informed, with a promise that he should obtain them if he followed the directions and went with an eye single to the glory of God.

Accordingly he repaired to the place which had thus been described. But it is necessary to give you more fully the express instructions of the angel, with

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regard to the object of this work in which our brother had now engaged-He was to remember that it was the work of the Lord, to fulfil certain promises previously made to a branch of the house of Israel, of the tribe of Joseph, and when it should be brought forth must be done expressly with an eye, as I said before, single to the glory of God, and the welfare and restoration of the house of Israel.

You will understand, then, that no motive of a pecuniary, or earthly nature, was to be suffered to take the lead of the heart of the man thus favored. The allurements of vice, the contaminating influence of wealth, without the direct guidance of the Holy Spirit, must have no place in the heart nor be suffered to take from it that warm desire for the glory and kingdom of the Lord, or, instead of obtaining, disappointment and reproof would most assuredly follow. Such was the instruction and this the caution.

Alternately, as we could naturally expect, the thought of the previous vision was ruminating in his mind, with a reflection of the brightness and glory of the heavenly messenger; but again a thought would start across the mind on the prospects of obtaining so desirable a treasure-one in all human probability sufficient to raise him above a level with the common earthly fortunes of his fellow men, and relieve his family from want, in which, by misfortune and sickness they were placed.

It is very natural to suppose that the mind would revolve upon those scenes which had passed, when those who had acquired a little of this world's goods, by industry and economy, with the blessings of health or friends, or by art and intrigue, from the pockets of the day-laborer, or the widow and the fatherless, had passed by with a stiff neck and a cold heart, scorning the virtuous because they were poor, and lording over those who were subjected to suffer the miseries of this life.

Alternately did these, with a swift reflection of the words of the holy messenger,-"Remember, that he who does this work, who is thus favored of the Lord, must do it with his eye single to the glory of the same, and the welfare and restoration of the scattered remnants of the house of Israel"-rush upon his mind with the quickness of electricity. Here was a struggle indeed; for when he calmly reflected upon his errand, he knew that if God did not give, he could not obtain; and again, with the thought or hope of obtaining, his mind would be carried back to its former reflection of poverty, abuse,-wealth, grandeur and ease, until before arriving at the place described, this wholly occupied his desire; and when he thought upon the fact of what was previously shown him, it was only with an assurance that he should obtain, and accomplish his desire in relieving himself and friends from want.

A history of the inhabitants who peopled this continent, previous to its being discovered to Europeans by Columbus, must be interesting to every man; and as it would develope the important fact, that the present race were descendants of Abraham, and were to be remembered in the immutable covenant of the Most High to that man, and be restored to a knowledge of the gospel, that they, with all nations might rejoice, seemed to inspire further thoughts of gain and income from such a valuable history. Surely, thought he, every man will seize with eagerness, this knowledge, and this incalculable income will be mine. Enough to raise the expectations of any one of like inexperience, placed in similar circumstances. But the important point in this matter is, that man does not see as the Lord, neither are his purposes like his. The small things of this life are but dust in comparison with salvation and eternal life.

It is sufficient to say that such were his reflections during his walk of from two to three miles: the distance from his father's house to the place pointed out. And to use his own words it seemed as though two invisible powers were influencing, or striving to influence his mind-one with the reflection that if he obtained the object of his pursuit, it would be through the mercy and condescension of the Lord, and that every act or performance in relation to it, must be in strict accordance with the instruction of that personage who communicated the intelligence to him first; and the other with the though'ts and reflections like those previously mentioned-contrasting his former and present circumstances in life with those to come. That precious instructions recorded on the sacred page-pray always-which was expressly impressed

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upon him, was at length entirely forgotten, and as I previously remarked, a fixed determination to obtain and aggrandize himself, occupied his mind when he arrived at the place where the record was found.

I must now give you some description of the place where, and the manner in which these records were deposited.

Clearly, we see the spirit of revelation given in Oliver's address to the Church insomuch as this testimony is given through Oliver as if he was the prophet's scribe and afforded the opportunity to bear testimony to the whole Church concerning Joseph Smith's personal visitations from the angel Moroni and details about the Hill Cumorah.

These are not just the opinions of man. They were direct teachings given by the presiding elders of the Church as a revelation from God. Cumorah in New York State!
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