When I told him it was on moral grounds, he tried to put my reasoning in a pigeonhole created by FOX News. Meaning, in his view, I was just voting on "emotion" and I shouldn't do that. That's what they say to rationalize why it is OK to vote for someone who is morally bankrupt. He said this is why Biden won big among women, because they're emotional. He kept saying vote with your wallet. He thinks people don't like Trump just because of his "mean tweets."
Oh yeah, check this out. I turned it around on him briefly saying this was in my financial interests because, "As you know my wife has health insurance through the ACA exchanges so if Trump manages to kill Obamacare we're screwed because she won't be able to get insurance anywhere with cancer as a preexisting condition."
His response?
"Don't you know Trump signed an executive order protecting those with preexisting conditions? Man I tell ya, no matter what good Trum does you people aren't happy."
I directed him to a dozen different sources indicating that his executive order was just a gimmick that had no legal merit and insurers were not legally bound by anything in it.
Jesus.
In your OP, you mentioned that he said he knows more about the ACA because he's a doctor (which is stupid on the face of it. That's like saying I know more than you about divorce law because I'm married). If he actually did know about the law, he'd understand that the ACA is already protecting pre-existing conditions. That was one of the bill's biggest accomplishments. How stupid of a doctor do you have to be to believe Trump's theatrical "executive order" was anything but political theater?
Seriously, I wouldn't go to that doctor with a case of the sniffles. damned moron.
Religion is for people whose existential fear is greater than their common sense.
This might speak to his decision process that led him to become a doctor. There can be a few reasons why some choose that career, but if one’s wallet is the chief motivating factor, then maybe I’m with Schmo on this and wouldn’t have this fellow on the top of my list when choosing a physician.
So a client of mine, who is actually a doctor, found out I didn't support Trump the other day and he began texting me about his astonishment. He said he couldn't believe a business owner wouldn't support Trump andf told me to vote with my wallet. I told him there are more important things in life than a tax cut. I tried not to get into with him and was successful in that, but he kept sending a slew of long winded texts, one of which was this funny rant about how Biden's tax plan would ruin him:
"Let's say I make $401,000. That's almost $30,000 more in taxes I have to pay. That's the salary of a new young hire secretary. Or money I can't give out for bonuses or profit sharing. Three partners, that's $90,000 difference. That's money we could use to hire a new doctor. As a new doctor loses $$ for the first two years they are hired. Takes them usually around two years to break even."
I never did respond to him, I changed the subject and we started talking about my family's health. Every time I corrected him on a point he'd get more dismissive and aggressive. He told me he knows Obamacare sucks because he's a doctor and his clients tell him their premiums went up because of that. When I provided him with two studies demonstrating that the rate of increased premiums has actually gone down since the ACA passed, he then assured me his personal anecdotes weigh heavier than any aggregate. He then said he's a doctor so he knows more about how the ACA is horrible, etc. I showed him a survey showing that a small majority of doctors actually support Obamacare, and he blew it off as a false survey by "fake doctors."
But this kind of misunderstanding about the Biden Tax plan is pretty common it seems. Trump supporters, even those who have been formally educated, don't seem to understand much of anything when it comes to taxes.
In reality the grand total of his increased tax burden would be $26 if he were to make $401,000. They don't understand that the 2.6% increase only applies to the income earned OVER $400,000.
So this all started when his wife posted a clip from Tucker Carlson talking about four alleged dead people who voted in this election. I presented a rebuttal showing that two of the four people were actually alive and well, and he responds with basically, "Yeah but the other two are dead." It turns out that one of the alleged voters is Deborah Christiansen and her husband Scott went to school with him when they were kids. He told me to hit him up to ask him about how his wife was listed as a voter a full year after she died. Well, I didn't contact his friend but read the news story about this incident at the time and all it said was the issue was being investigated.
Well, lo and behold, just yesterday CNN determined that the Deborah Christiansen who voted was a completely different person and that was her legal name, born the same year.
I'm tempted to shoot him this link. He was so proud of the fact that he had some kind of irrefutable "inside scoop" on this story because he knew the family and they were adamant about this being the same Deborah. But I just know it will trigger him again.
So a client of mine, who is actually a doctor, found out I didn't support Trump the other day and he began texting me about his astonishment. He said he couldn't believe a business owner wouldn't support Trump andf told me to vote with my wallet. I told him there are more important things in life than a tax cut. I tried not to get into with him and was successful in that, but he kept sending a slew of long winded texts, one of which was this funny rant about how Biden's tax plan would ruin him:
"Let's say I make $401,000. That's almost $30,000 more in taxes I have to pay. That's the salary of a new young hire secretary. Or money I can't give out for bonuses or profit sharing. Three partners, that's $90,000 difference. That's money we could use to hire a new doctor. As a new doctor loses $$ for the first two years they are hired. Takes them usually around two years to break even."
I never did respond to him, I changed the subject and we started talking about my family's health. Every time I corrected him on a point he'd get more dismissive and aggressive. He told me he knows Obamacare sucks because he's a doctor and his clients tell him their premiums went up because of that. When I provided him with two studies demonstrating that the rate of increased premiums has actually gone down since the ACA passed, he then assured me his personal anecdotes weigh heavier than any aggregate. He then said he's a doctor so he knows more about how the ACA is horrible, etc. I showed him a survey showing that a small majority of doctors actually support Obamacare, and he blew it off as a false survey by "fake doctors."
But this kind of misunderstanding about the Biden Tax plan is pretty common it seems. Trump supporters, even those who have been formally educated, don't seem to understand much of anything when it comes to taxes.
In reality the grand total of his increased tax burden would be $26 if he were to make $401,000. They don't understand that the 2.6% increase only applies to the income earned OVER $400,000.
Just an update to this. I texted him back with the CNN article about how Deborah Christansen is alive and well. His response was "That's CNN for ya. Are you saying my friend went on live television and lied?"
His "friend" isn't really his friend, just some guy he went to high school who hasn't spoken to him in decades. But that aside, his friend never said anything on live television except that he was "freaked out" when he heard his dead wife had voted. I explained to him that his friend didn't say anything he knew to be false so he wasn't lying. But we now know that the Deborah Jean Christiansen who voted is alive and well and not his friend's dead wife.
He never ha acknowledged he was wrong. Every time I correct a Trump supporter on any issue they pull an ajax/subs on me and change the subject onto some other dumb talking point I have to debunk.
He never ha acknowledged he was wrong. Every time I correct a Trump supporter on any issue they pull an ajax/subs on me and change the subject onto some other dumb talking point I have to debunk.
As I've said many times, you can't defend Trump without lying. Trump fans don't discuss/argue/debate; they spew BS hoping some sticks. That's all they've got. When you're trying to sell a con, BS is your only tool.
Religion is for people whose existential fear is greater than their common sense.
As I've said many times, you can't defend Trump without lying. Trump fans don't discuss/argue/debate; they spew crap hoping some sticks. That's all they've got. When you're trying to sell a con, crap is your only tool.
This reminds me of a current poster at NOM who is trying to sell Trump as a holy figure.
As I've said many times, you can't defend Trump without lying. Trump fans don't discuss/argue/debate; they spew crap hoping some sticks. That's all they've got. When you're trying to sell a con, crap is your only tool.
This reminds me of a current poster at NOM who is trying to sell Trump as a holy figure.
Holy crap?
Religion is for people whose existential fear is greater than their common sense.
