Problematic John Dehlin, a short list

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jpatterson wrote:
Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:28 pm
drumdude wrote:
Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:27 pm
Apparently you care more about it than the trademark holder.
The one who told me he'd be getting his lawyer involved?
Great, then John is an idiot and will pay a couple thousand dollars to settle and change his logo.

Does this prove you and Rosebud are right about the major stuff? Hardly.
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drumdude wrote:
Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:31 pm

Great, then John is an idiot and will pay a couple thousand dollars to settle and change his logo.

Does this prove you and Rosebud are right about the major stuff? Hardly.
Did I say it did? It proves that John doesn't care about ripping off other's people's work, which is a common accusation against him (especially by women).

You, of course, are laughing it off as nothing. You don't realize it, but you're just at the opposite end of the spectrum than I am. You're no better.
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jpatterson wrote:
Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:01 pm
Dr Exiled wrote:
Tue Mar 15, 2022 5:49 pm

I don't suspect you monitor the internet for trademark violations, just Dehlin.
I don't just sit around monitoring John for trademark violations. That's silly.

If you google "Thrive John Dehlin" the third or fourth image is that of John with his Thrive hat on, next to a Thrive hat from the organization that originally created the brand. That was what alerted me to a potential trademark violation, not because I was out looking for one.

I did some digging and realized the original org came first.

The logos are almost exactly the same, and the best I can tell they're not generated from a specific font family (i.e., you couldn't just create it in Word), so the only conclusion I can come to is that John copied someone's logo.
Whatever Dr. Dehlin Monitor. You just admitted that you took the time to research the issue, did some digging, looking to harpoon your white whale. Even so, how you spend your free time is yours of course.
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Dr Exiled wrote:
Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:33 pm
Whatever Dr. Dehlin Monitor. You just admitted that you took the time to research the issue, did some digging, looking to harpoon your white whale. Even so, how you spend your free time is yours of course.
Whatever, DCP monitor. It's either Dehlin Watch or obsessing endlessly about Mormon apologetics. I find mine much more entertaining.
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drumdude wrote:
Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:15 pm
Marcus wrote:
Tue Mar 15, 2022 5:45 pm

So you had this information when you made your claim about Thrive not being a nonprofit?
Did I make that claim?
Sorry thought you were jp
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jpatterson wrote:
Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:33 pm
drumdude wrote:
Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:31 pm

Great, then John is an idiot and will pay a couple thousand dollars to settle and change his logo.

Does this prove you and Rosebud are right about the major stuff? Hardly.
Did I say it did? It proves that John doesn't care about ripping off other's people's work, which is a common accusation against him (especially by women).

You, of course, are laughing it off as nothing. You don't realize it, but you're just at the opposite end of the spectrum than I am. You're no better.
You cry wolf enough times and eventually everyone ignores you. Rosebud has done way more to prop up John Dehlin than any of us ever could.

For what it's worth I think John is a classic narcissist and I regret ever sending him money in the early days. I think it's time for him to turn the project over to others and step aside, but he won't because he's a narcissist.
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drumdude wrote:
Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:13 pm

You cry wolf enough times and eventually everyone ignores you.
There's no one crying wolf here.

There is an incredibly complex set of evidence that can reasonably be interpreted several ways, depending largely on how you view issues like consent (especially as it relates to power imbalance), sexual harassment, non-profit ethics and mental health.

Have I presented my case as cut-and-dry? Of course, that's how I interpret the evidence. It's almost impossible for me to conceive that anyone could examine the evidence and come to a different conclusion.

You and others here, on the other hand, have painted this as a witch hunt with zero foundation and a personal vendetta.

Again, if I'm guilty of being on the end of the spectrum that is completely, 100% convinced that John is guilty, you and many others here who constantly get on your high horse about this subject are merely on the other end, arguing that there's zero evidence of anything and it's all smoke and mirrors.

So spare me your faux disdain for me and my interpretations. You've demonstrated clearly that you're not objective here, you're just arguing the complete opposite end of the spectrum.
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jpatterson wrote:
Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:31 pm
You've demonstrated clearly that you're not objective here, you're just arguing the complete opposite end of the spectrum.
Objective? Funny to see you use the word. Suddenly you're an authority on objectivity!

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jpatterson wrote:
Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:31 pm
drumdude wrote:
Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:13 pm

You cry wolf enough times and eventually everyone ignores you.
There's no one crying wolf here.

There is an incredibly complex set of evidence that can reasonably be interpreted several ways, depending largely on how you view issues like consent (especially as it relates to power imbalance), sexual harassment, non-profit ethics and mental health.

Have I presented my case as cut-and-dry? Of course, that's how I interpret the evidence. It's almost impossible for me to conceive that anyone could examine the evidence and come to a different conclusion.

You and others here, on the other hand, have painted this as a witch hunt with zero foundation and a personal vendetta.

Again, if I'm guilty of being on the end of the spectrum that is completely, 100% convinced that John is guilty, you and many others here who constantly get on your high horse about this subject are merely on the other end, arguing that there's zero evidence of anything and it's all smoke and mirrors.

So spare me your faux disdain for me and my interpretations. You've demonstrated clearly that you're not objective here, you're just arguing the complete opposite end of the spectrum.
I found that tax letter with 5 seconds of effort.

Spare us, please.
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drumdude wrote:
Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:41 pm
jpatterson wrote:
Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:31 pm


There's no one crying wolf here.

There is an incredibly complex set of evidence that can reasonably be interpreted several ways, depending largely on how you view issues like consent (especially as it relates to power imbalance), sexual harassment, non-profit ethics and mental health.

Have I presented my case as cut-and-dry? Of course, that's how I interpret the evidence. It's almost impossible for me to conceive that anyone could examine the evidence and come to a different conclusion.

You and others here, on the other hand, have painted this as a witch hunt with zero foundation and a personal vendetta.

Again, if I'm guilty of being on the end of the spectrum that is completely, 100% convinced that John is guilty, you and many others here who constantly get on your high horse about this subject are merely on the other end, arguing that there's zero evidence of anything and it's all smoke and mirrors.

So spare me your faux disdain for me and my interpretations. You've demonstrated clearly that you're not objective here, you're just arguing the complete opposite end of the spectrum.
I found that tax letter with 5 seconds of effort.

Spare us, please.
Thanks to you and Kish for proving my point.
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