Chap wrote: ↑Sat May 14, 2022 8:39 amYup. Those exchanges were the kicker. I remember working through the math myself, and it became clear that Gee simply didn't have the ability to deal with that kind of calculation. But there really was no way out for him, given the known measurements of the surviving scrolls and of the separation of the folds that showed the length of the layers of spiral winding.Fifth Columnist wrote: ↑Sat May 14, 2022 1:40 amThe nail in the coffin of the missing scroll theory was put in place by Andrew Cook and Chris Smith. They showed there was barely any missing papyrus and certainly not 42 feet (or whatever John Gee said it was).
It would be great if RFM or Mormonism Live did a show dissecting the papers that were produced on this topic.
Cook and Smith's original paper (link)
Gee's Response (link)
Cook's response to Gee (link)
Those were the great days, when large herbivorous apologists roamed the plains, and offered an easy target for the hungry hunters of this board. Alas, the species has been pretty well driven to extinction. What remains is hardly worth the effort of pursuit.
This is spot on. And it is also the reason I pretty much dropped out of the "great debate" roughly a decade ago. There really was nothing left to say. All of the apologetic responses had been thoroughly decimated. Wade Englund and Will Schryver retreated in shame. Paul Osborne, Kerry Shirts and I all left the faith over this issue. Hell, even Brian Hauglid and David Bokovoy were persuaded by our arguments. All that is left over there now is the discredited John Gee and Kerry Muhelstein who has shown to be little more than Gee's lapdog.
Does anyone remember the time when a world famous Egyptologist commented on Kerry's work as pseudo-scholarship and expressed astonishment that he actually got a degree from a reputable institution? I'm trying to remember her name but it escapes me at the moment. Which is sad because I was the one who contacted her via email and posted her remarks.