What Do People Here Believe?

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

MG > I found out the Mormon church was BS

MG > but I gutted it out because I had faith and my family is Mormon

MG > and then a miracle, even though it’s BS, it’s True!



- Doc

[MG 2.0]

How does a belief in god translate into a need to support falsehoods in a particular religion?

It wasn’t a “need”, it was a realization that what I once doubted was very possibly not a fabricated falsehood.

Again, go back and read what I said in context. Yes, you are correct that I was born into the LDS faith. It is this faith that makes extraordinary claims. If those claims are true then we have a religion that encompasses all truth, including truths found in other systems of belief.

It is THAT which I’m referring to. Investigating the truth claims of the LDS, in essence, saves a LOT of time wandering about looking for truth and being tossed to and fro.

As many folks are.

Not that I didn’t contrast and compare.

I decided to engage with you this time around because I think it is very important that folks hear what I’m saying vs. your reinterpretation, twisting, and manipulation of my words.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

You, along with Doc…and others…are putting words in my mouth. You lack understanding and/or ignore what I’m actually saying. You cherry pick, interpret according to your own personal biases, etc., wash and repeat.

I invite others to go back and read what I actually said in full context…my words…and not fall prey to those who would corrupt what has been said in order to fit an predetermined agenda/outcome.

Hey man, I was defending you. I didn't put words in your mouth. I quoted you and explained in what way I can understand your points.

Nice try.

And I won’t fault you for that.

Regards,
MG

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

How does a belief in god translate into a need to support falsehoods in a particular religion?

It wasn’t a “need”, it was a realization that what I once doubted was very possibly not a fabricated falsehood.

Again, go back and read what I said in context. Yes, you are correct that I was born into the LDS faith. It is this faith that makes extraordinary claims. If those claims are true then we have a religion that encompasses all truth, including truths found in other systems of belief.

It is THAT which I’m referring to. Investigating the truth claims of the LDS, in essence, saves a LOT of time wandering about looking for truth and being tossed to and fro.

As many folks are.

Not that I didn’t contrast and compare.

I decided to engage with you this time around because I think it is very important that folks hear what I’m saying vs. your reinterpretation, twisting, and manipulation of my words.

Regards,
MG

OH, HALLELUJAH! Oh glorious day! My faith, my family’s faith, my community’s faith! It’s NOT BS! There was never a manmade farce! Mine eyes has seen the glory! I doubted, oh LORD I doubted! But no longer! It’s all TRUUUUUUUE!



- Doc

[MG 2.0]

MG > I found out the Mormon church was B.S.

MG > but I gutted it out because I had faith and my family is Mormon

MG > and then a miracle, even though it’s B.S., it’s True!



- Doc

Nope. Not like that. Go back and read for understanding. Rather than reinterpretive garbage that reflect your own bias/experience or no experience.

There is a certain amount of truth in your second statement. I’ll hand you that. But sticking it all on “family” doesn’t paint a complete picture.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

It wasn’t a “need”, it was a realization that what I once doubted was very possibly not a fabricated falsehood.

Again, go back and read what I said in context. Yes, you are correct that I was born into the LDS faith. It is this faith that makes extraordinary claims. If those claims are true then we have a religion that encompasses all truth, including truths found in other systems of belief.

It is THAT which I’m referring to. Investigating the truth claims of the LDS, in essence, saves a LOT of time wandering about looking for truth and being tossed to and fro.

As many folks are.

Not that I didn’t contrast and compare.

I decided to engage with you this time around because I think it is very important that folks hear what I’m saying vs. your reinterpretation, twisting, and manipulation of my words.

Regards,
MG

OH, HALLELUJAH! Oh glorious day! My faith, my family’s faith, my community’s faith! It’s NOT B.S.! There was never a manmade farce! Mine eyes has seen the glory! I doubted, oh LORD I doubted! But no longer! It’s all TRUUUUUUUE!



- Doc

This is a misrepresentation.

Regards,
MG

[Schreech]

MG > I found out the Mormon church was B.S.

MG > but I gutted it out because I had faith and my family is Mormon

MG > and then a miracle, even though it’s B.S., it’s True!



- Doc

Nope. Not like that. Go back and read for understanding. Rather than reinterpretive garbage that reflect your own bias/experience or no experience.

There is a certain amount of truth in your second statement. I’ll hand you that. But sticking it all on “family” doesn’t paint a complete picture.

Regards,
MG

Yea guys, the fact that nobody can “understand” mgs disjointed and logically inconsistent word salads has nothing to do with his writing skills. You just need to read more carefully!! Lol!

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

You’re such a dumb damned donkey. You sat there and pretended you went through this crucible and were somehow, with a gut wrenching faith crisis , able to pull through, because MG is speshul.



You didn’t do jack crap, as evidenced by your - endless contradictions, ignorance to LDS doctrines and policies, straight BS you spout when it suits you.

Man, you’re such a goddamned liar.

- Doc

[MG 2.0]

He never apostatized.

That much of what you said is true.

Regards,
MG

As you can see if you read carefully for comprehension:

As we mature and gain experience and understanding we reach certain pivot points where what was once little understood becomes open to further enlightenment and comprehension. It’s a natural progression unless that process is inhibited or stumped along the way. You can see examples of this all around you. Education follows that pattern. The workplace follows that pattern. Relationships follow that pattern. Religious/metaphysical knowledge and understanding follows that pattern. Scientific knowledge and understanding follows that pattern.

As I grew and matured I came across things that didn’t fit in with my traditional views and understandings of ‘Mormonism’ and the Restoration. Science and religion. Conflicts in moral values. Creationism and scientism. Etc.

Pivot points.

Just like many, I gradually…and then suddenly…hit the wall. Where to go? Hard times. Very hard.

I had to decide where and what to do. And as it was, I had a family that was moving along, generally, on a traditional ‘LDS path’. So for a while I mimicked that activity as best I could. It was hard. Very hard.

Somewhere along the line I decided to do more study and also look at trying to keep a balance in what I was reading. To look at everything and turn it all upside down and look at everything I could both pro and con. Science. Religion. Philosophical views maintained by believers and non believers. Etc.

A gradual pivoting took place. I decided that it would NOT be unreasonable to move forward with a tentative/conditional belief and faith in a creator God. Small as it was having started from a point of general non belief. As that ‘seed’ grew I was able to then come back to those areas of church history, science and religion, moral discrepancies, etc., and work on those from the perspective of believing in God. I continued to ask the question, “If God exists…then?” I looked at various puzzle pieces that didn’t seem to fit and looked to see why they didn’t SEEM to fit and then look at various options and perspectives…with the help of others…that helped those pieces come together more uniformly. Perfectly? Sometimes. Always? Not completely.

A reconstruction of faith beyond/different from what had been. A new beginning. A rebirth of sorts.

What once was lost to my understanding because of incomplete understanding was now open to my consciousness where it hadn’t been before. Much work. Much patience. And some deep thought, prayer, and introspection.

I realized that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints stood a greater chance of being ‘God’s Truth’ than any other system of belief and/or understanding in the worldwide market place of ideas/philosophies. It was for EVERYONE that was willing to accept Jesus Christ and be willing to conform their lives to living a fullness of His Gospel.

It didn’t happen over night. Did I become stuck in ruts along the way? Yes. But I kept the wheels turning and kept moving rather than staying stuck and giving up the fight for faith.

Those things that had led me to think that Mormonism was a ‘fabricated farce’ no longer held the weight that they had. In fact, I came to see how those things actually fit into a system where God allows for agency, growth, and understanding on the part of His children.

I NEVER spoke against the Brethren or my ecclesiastical leaders.

Apostates, generally speaking, do. In one way or another.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

Yea guys, the fact that nobody can “understand” mgs disjointed and logically inconsistent word salads has nothing to do with his writing skills. You just need to read more carefully!! Lol!

Hi schreech. Thanks for popping in. Hope all is well with you and your family.

Regards,
MG