Interpreter apologists wrestle with Nephi’s transoceanic vessel

[MG 2.0]

MG,

Look at the fatness of this log. How wide do you think it is? It appears to be at least 12 inches in diameter, perhaps more. Do you think? I've blown the image up and examined the cut and the rings in the wood. I estimate this tree is likely over 30 years old. That makes for a very tall tree to go with the very tall lie the Church is sponsoring on its faith promoting website.

And there’s another point to go along with that.

The log shown is a modern log, likely from a genetically-optimized tree grown under ideal conditions, including sufficient rainfall.

A tree from Nephi’s supposed timeframe would grow much slower, creating a denser wood (rings much closer together) requiring more people to transport per length, and more time to work with tools … if logs of that diameter were even able to secure in the proper quantities to begin with.

MG’s apologetic sources talk about there possibly existing ‘slips’ (tie-off posts) at Khor Rori, but it doesn’t follow that any ship using them would have been built there.

As well, perhaps the better question is why Nephi and family would bother to stay at Khor Rori if needing to build a ship, instead of merely taking a boat ride at that point (the apologetic materials talk about ships and local traders there, right?) via someone else’s craft, to another area where they’d be able to much more easily procure materials and labor, to construct their own?

Either one should take the implied fact of the Book of Mormon’s narrative of there being no community of ‘others’ available to Nephi at Khor Rori or elsewhere - therefore, the entire apologetic argument presented by MG is a bit of a waste - or one invents people and commerce at Khor Rori, with Nephi then making a nonsensical decision of staying to construct his boat and a launching slip in an area not suited to the task … when he apparently had the means to go elsewhere at that point.

It seems that a boat ride is a whole lot cheaper than hitting up the local traders for timbers to be shipped in from India.

And yet, you weren’t there. If there was a there there.

It’s interesting to watch people, we all do it, look through the fog of history and then recreate it in our own image and likeness.

It’s fun to do. Accurate?

Open question.

Apologists do it to I suppose.

Rocks, fire, bellows, ore, wood, locations, tools, etc.

Interesting things to speculate about.

At the end of the day, however, the Book of Mormon is another testament of Jesus Christ. It either is or isn’t true. No halfways.

Choice and agency. Opposition in all things. Isn’t it wonderful?

Regards,
MG

[canpakes]

Interesting things to speculate about.

It is. As you’ve introduced some rather complex speculation, I’ve enjoyed looking at that speculation through certain lenses of practicality. It’s not meant to be offensive, though.

[MG 2.0]

Interesting things to speculate about.

It is. As you’ve introduced some rather complex speculation, I’ve enjoyed looking at that speculation through certain lenses of practicality. It’s not meant to be offensive, though.

No worries. Apologists have different outcomes in their research as they try and look through a glass darkly.

At the end of the day, a lot of conjecture.

Regards,
MG

[Chap]

At the end of the day, a lot of conjecture.

'Conjecture'?

Well, would we say it was conjecture whether Hitler really died in his bunker, or instead went to live in a special Fuhrer-module built by German scientist on the other side of the moon? Nope. We'd simply say that the probability that Hitler was up there on the moon was so ridiculously unlikely that it was simply not worth serious consideration.

Similarly, the likelihood that any events resembling the shipbuilding described in 1 Nephi actually took place is so small that the word 'conjecture' is wholly inappropriate. that's what we have the word 'fantasy' for.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

At the end of the day, a lot of conjecture.

'Conjecture'?

Well, would we say it was conjecture whether Hitler really died in his bunker, or instead went to live in a special Fuhrer-module built by German scientist on the other side of the moon? Nope. We'd simply say that the probability that Hitler was up there on the moon was so ridiculously unlikely that it was simply not worth serious consideration.

Similarly, the likelihood that any events resembling the shipbuilding described in 1 Nephi actually took place is so small that the word 'conjecture' is wholly inappropriate. that's what we have the word 'fantasy' for.

Anyone > facts re: Book of Mormon

MG > https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3yX_1gJ_51M

- Doc

[MG 2.0]

At the end of the day, a lot of conjecture.

'Conjecture'?

Well, would we say it was conjecture whether Hitler really died in his bunker, or instead went to live in a special Fuhrer-module built by German scientist on the other side of the moon? Nope. We'd simply say that the probability that Hitler was up there on the moon was so ridiculously unlikely that it was simply not worth serious consideration.

Similarly, the likelihood that any events resembling the shipbuilding described in 1 Nephi actually took place is so small that the word 'conjecture' is wholly inappropriate. that's what we have the word 'fantasy' for.

I would be more than likely to agree with you if there wasn’t the possibility of Nephi and Co. receiving inspiration and help beyond their natural means. Add that along with the ‘fog of history’ that comes into play and I’m hesitant to take your extreme position.

Do you believe God can/does at times involve Himself in the affairs of mankind? And individuals in particular?

If so, are you willing to LET God be GOD without interfering?

I can’t remember if you’ve said you believe in a creator God or not. One that takes an interest in His creations.

Regards,
MG

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

[MG 2.0]

One quick pop in to reply to this even though I am limiting my conversation with you and a few others.

You’re making a fool of yourself. You dig the hole deeper. Then you can’t come back to the top and see things in a more civil/humane way. You’re in a dark place. You are past the point of no return.

Carry on with your Simpson like mentality and silly behavior…if you must.

Regards,
MG

[Shulem]

SHOW me proof.

Show me a sign, in other words. And THEN I will believe.

Common theme.

Regards,
MG

I don't walk by faith -- I walk by sight. I walk by signs and by what I can prove is real and actually means something. I've tried your religion and it doesn't work for me. I could never do that again and feel right about anything. I am awake now. I know better. My eyes are open.

You, are sleepwalking, MG. Living in your dream.

So tell me, MG, tell me about Nephi striking those two stones. Tell me about that!

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

MG posting online >

Ugh. Such a martyr. Elohim will surely hook him up with a nice heavenly sinecure.

- Doc