Jesus Christ yes Ido.
- Doc
Jesus Christ yes Ido.
He is actually not far away.MG 2.0 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 7:36 pmDaddy issues?dastardly stem wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 7:10 pm
What an encouraging god you must think is there. People spending their whole lives looking and yet not able to find it, and yet all it'd take is for him to give them an inch, say Hi, wave, or wink. "No. Then you'll know and won't have need for faith," they say. "god needs people to live by faith," because then they can turn into obnoxiously hidden and useless creeps like him.
You won’t find God if you’re looking in the wrong places.
Regards,
MG
Wow. Projection at its finest.
Did god tell you that? And what’s a wrong place to look for god?
...Who would construct the world Latter-day Saints tell me, with a smile, I'll get to "enjoy" in the afterlife?
When I survey history there's a clear pattern in the sorts of people who try to create that kind of "utopia." It all rather sounds like a totalitarian nightmare if you ask me. I don't want it, and when I find people totally infatuated with the kind of tyrannical state the correlated teachings fantasize about, well, then I'm honestly afraid of that person, because that person, essentially, says, "whatever your preferences are for how you wish to live, my preference is that you have my preferences imposed on you, and to the extent you fail to comply, I would have your life made worse."
Lovely Plan of "Happiness".
"Oh, but you don't understand, when you see that this is true, you'll want it too." Ok, well then I won't be me. Because I don't want it, and I find it repulsive to the core. If that's the way it is, then I'm not an autonomous, conscious creature. Congrats, Elohim, have fun ruling over your kingdom of sycophants and robots, you'll have destroyed my identity.
Frankly, the Plan of Happiness is one of the most violent plans I can conceive of because it implies a kind of dangerous obedience, horrific imposition or else the annihilation of a person's identity, preferences, etc. It's the destruction of the category of ethics itself. I'm supposed to be able to discern right and wrong behavior (and I'm quite certain I can to a large degree), but at the same time just be prepared to do what some particular person commands, even if it's heinous? Cut off a head! Stab your son! Raid that village! Take the women! You need your first wife's consent, but not if she doesn't consent! Bears, kill those kids! I don't want to be anything like this god. Ever.
The elephant in the room, and, in my opinion, the reason faithful Latter-day Saints find a hard time in communities of open discussion comes down to something quite simple and obvious: the plan sucks.
It’s intuitive. How can one find God by looking in the wrong place?
Think about this if it is true.Marcus wrote: ↑Sat Jun 11, 2022 2:25 amI read something today that reminded me of how mentalgymnast interacts with people he thinks are not LDS. It seems appropriate to post it here:...Who would construct the world Latter-day Saints tell me, with a smile, I'll get to "enjoy" in the afterlife?
When I survey history there's a clear pattern in the sorts of people who try to create that kind of "utopia." It all rather sounds like a totalitarian nightmare if you ask me. I don't want it, and when I find people totally infatuated with the kind of tyrannical state the correlated teachings fantasize about, well, then I'm honestly afraid of that person, because that person, essentially, says, "whatever your preferences are for how you wish to live, my preference is that you have my preferences imposed on you, and to the extent you fail to comply, I would have your life made worse."
Lovely Plan of "Happiness".
"Oh, but you don't understand, when you see that this is true, you'll want it too." Ok, well then I won't be me. Because I don't want it, and I find it repulsive to the core. If that's the way it is, then I'm not an autonomous, conscious creature. Congrats, Elohim, have fun ruling over your kingdom of sycophants and robots, you'll have destroyed my identity.
Frankly, the Plan of Happiness is one of the most violent plans I can conceive of because it implies a kind of dangerous obedience, horrific imposition or else the annihilation of a person's identity, preferences, etc. It's the destruction of the category of ethics itself. I'm supposed to be able to discern right and wrong behavior (and I'm quite certain I can to a large degree), but at the same time just be prepared to do what some particular person commands, even if it's heinous? Cut off a head! Stab your son! Raid that village! Take the women! You need your first wife's consent, but not if she doesn't consent! Bears, kill those kids! I don't want to be anything like this god. Ever.
The elephant in the room, and, in my opinion, the reason faithful Latter-day Saints find a hard time in communities of open discussion comes down to something quite simple and obvious: the plan sucks.
If you are exalted you are just going to keep cranking out hundreds of billions of spirits. And they are going to suffer. And you are going to do it again and again. And you're going to do it again and again. After 100 billion generations why the exalted couple does not suffer I don't know. If this doesn't piss you off I don't know what is wrong with you.The people I love think this is the nature of reality. That we are just this endless factory producing endless suffering. It's offensive on the deepest level. I can't imagine believing this it is sick. ......If it's true we have one task. We have to hunt down what ever being started this and kill it.