Thanks! I'm glad to be here. Yes, I've flirted with atheism since early in my mission in 1979, but I'm simply not the kind of person that would seriously consider a universe without God in charge of it.Kishkumen wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 2:08 amDid not recall that you are active, believing LDS! Glad you are here.
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After my readings yesterday I had the impression the earliest generation of saints who were likely to have known Joseph Smith, or their parents knew Joseph Smith, spoke of the truthfulness of the restoration. It may be a generational shift where the phrase evolved as an expression meant to convey the same intent but the association was with what that generation knew as the thing that made them unique from others - the church as symbol for all that is Mormonism.Kishkumen wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:38 amFor me the upshot of this is that the statement is a later development and not present in earliest Mormonism. I find it odd, and it is telling, in my view, that it gains strength in an era when people were increasingly seeing things in stark binaries such as capitalism vs. communism.
I would add the real upshot for me was finding and reading the paper on B.H. Roberts and the intellectual peers with whom he met to discuss issues with the Book of Mormon after the leadership gave it a shrug. It's been a very, very long time since I've read something related to Mormonism and really enjoyed the experience. Most often the information is warmed over, polemic or parochial, or otherwise tedious. That was refreshing. Paid for the time spent with interest.
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The Book of Mormon is true, whilst most everything else is not.toon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 6:17 pmI brought my bike wheels to the mechanic the other day to have them trued. Maybe when people say that the church is true, all they are saying is that it is in alignment with its self. Something correlation accomplishes.
What Elvis Costello saying when he tells Allison this is aim is true? That he’s sincere? Perhaps the church is sincere.
So the church as an organization can be true, even though all it’s truth and supernatural claims are baloney.
I should have gone to church yesterday and shared my testimony.
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What kind of person would you need to be to seriously consider a universe without <insert your favourite flavour of deity> in charge of it?
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good question! I read his comment as noting that, in his starting conditions, he is unable to NOT assume his conclusion. in other words, he has no capacity to reach a conclusion not already dictated by how he currently lives. indoctrination dies hard.
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So, God answered your prayers in 1976, but you started to “flirt with atheism” since 1979?
Let us know when you get your stories straight and want to actually engage in good faith discussion about Mormonism.
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Very nicely put. Are you focusing on the late 19th century instances?honorentheos wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:38 amAfter my readings yesterday I had the impression the earliest generation of saints who were likely to have known Joseph Smith, or their parents knew Joseph Smith, spoke of the truthfulness of the restoration. It may be a generational shift where the phrase evolved as an expression meant to convey the same intent but the association was with what that generation knew as the thing that made them unique from others - the church as symbol for all that is Mormonism.
We may be using the term upshot in different ways, but I like what you are conveying here!I would add the real upshot for me was finding and reading the paper on B.H. Roberts and the intellectual peers with whom he met to discuss issues with the Book of Mormon after the leadership gave it a shrug. It's been a very, very long time since I've read something related to Mormonism and really enjoyed the experience. Most often the information is warmed over, polemic or parochial, or otherwise tedious. That was refreshing. Paid for the time spent with interest.
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Interesting! Thanks for sharing. I am not sure what being in charge means for a Supreme Deity.
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God and the universe are one and the same.
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Well, if he (sorry, He) is in charge, what is he going to do about Global Heating?
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That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
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Not only have I denounced the Big Lie, I have denounced the Big lie big lie.