How long/intensely did you believe in the historicity of the Book of Mormon?

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Re: How long/intensely did you believe in the historicity of the Book of Mormon?

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 11:08 pm
drumdude wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 10:13 pm


Divine Hiddenness is indistinguishable from a God that does not exist.

It's like walking into a differential equations class with no professor, given an exam that is a blank piece of paper, and being told to close your eyes and imagine the right answer.

If that's the way God operates, we are all going to fail horribly. There's no way to tell what you believe is real or self delusion. If everyone on Earth believed in the same hidden God, you might have a better chance. And that might be an indication of something real. The fact that there are thousands of incompatible Gods means the more likely situation is that mankind has invented all of them.
Although when you shrink that number down to those that believe in a ‘God who weeps’ and one in whose image we are created, the number becomes much smaller. If you’ve got to start somewhere looking for the True God it seems reasonable to look at a God who created us to become like Him.

Reasonable?

Where would you start your journey in looking for the True God?

I’m sure you haven’t given up, right?

So what steps and/or methodologies have you come up with so far in order to get it right?

Or do you see it as a fruitless endeavor and you’ve moved on beyond childish imaginations? 😉

Regards,
MG
I'm waiting for Jesus Christ and Heavenly Father to appear to me in a grove of trees. I don't think I will get confused on how many personages are there, and I definitely won't wait 12 years to write about it here like Joseph Jr did.
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Re: How long/intensely did you believe in the historicity of the Book of Mormon?

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drumdude wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 11:12 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 11:08 pm


Although when you shrink that number down to those that believe in a ‘God who weeps’ and one in whose image we are created, the number becomes much smaller. If you’ve got to start somewhere looking for the True God it seems reasonable to look at a God who created us to become like Him.

Reasonable?

Where would you start your journey in looking for the True God?

I’m sure you haven’t given up, right?

So what steps and/or methodologies have you come up with so far in order to get it right?

Or do you see it as a fruitless endeavor and you’ve moved on beyond childish imaginations? 😉

Regards,
MG
I'm waiting for Jesus Christ and Heavenly Father to appear to me in a grove of trees. I don't think I will get confused on how many personages are there, and I definitely won't wait 12 years to write about it here like Joseph Jr did.
Best wishes. In the meantime you can live the way YOU choose. No pesky god to get in the way.

Regards,
MG
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Re: How long/intensely did you believe in the historicity of the Book of Mormon?

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 10:21 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 9:38 pm
But as you can readily see, He doesn’t demand it. If so, you’re a failure. 😉

... Neither does Heavenly Father.
You know. For a guy who has ‘studied his ass off’ with regard to Mormonism, you sure are ignorant of Mormonism, the Bible, the words of ‘prophets’ and various Mormon priesthood utterances, and so forth.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... p?lang=eng

Now, Control + Find ‘commanded’.

So, which is it? Are you ignorant despite a lifetime of study and devotion, or are you lying again?

- Doc
In your link we are taught that we should worship…in fact commanded to worship (recognize, follow, and obey)…the one and only True God…and no other.

If we are going to follow God, His will is that we follow Him and not a false god.

But there is nothing that I could find that says God will FORCE us to worship and/or follow in His ways.

We claim the ​​​privilege​ of worshiping Almighty God according to the ​​​dictates​ of our own ​​​conscience​, and allow all men the same privilege, let them ​​​worship​ how, where, or what they may.
Articles of Faith #11
So, no worries Doc, no one is going to make you do anything you don’t want to do.

Remember the group Blind Faith?

Do What You Like.

Regards,
MG
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Re: How long/intensely did you believe in the historicity of the Book of Mormon?

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 11:41 pm
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 10:21 pm


You know. For a guy who has ‘studied his ass off’ with regard to Mormonism, you sure are ignorant of Mormonism, the Bible, the words of ‘prophets’ and various Mormon priesthood utterances, and so forth.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... p?lang=eng

Now, Control + Find ‘commanded’.

So, which is it? Are you ignorant despite a lifetime of study and devotion, or are you lying again?

- Doc
In your link we are taught that we should worship…in fact commanded to worship (recognize, follow, and obey)…the one and only True God…and no other.

If we are going to follow God, His will is that we follow Him and not a false god.

But there is nothing that I could find that says God will FORCE us to worship and/or follow in His ways.

We claim the ​​​privilege​ of worshiping Almighty God according to the ​​​dictates​ of our own ​​​conscience​, and allow all men the same privilege, let them ​​​worship​ how, where, or what they may.
Articles of Faith #11
So, no worries Doc, no one is going to make you do anything you don’t want to do.

Remember the group Blind Faith?

Do What You Like.

Regards,
MG
This really seems to bother you, why? Is it because you feel constrained by the one and only gospel? I don't know how many times people got up in sacrament meeting and said that they would be the most vile sinners if it weren't for the church. Obviously they were focusing on what they were missing. Is that what is going on with you?
Myth is misused by the powerful to subjugate the masses all too often.
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Re: How long/intensely did you believe in the historicity of the Book of Mormon?

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 11:41 pm
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 10:21 pm


You know. For a guy who has ‘studied his ass off’ with regard to Mormonism, you sure are ignorant of Mormonism, the Bible, the words of ‘prophets’ and various Mormon priesthood utterances, and so forth.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... p?lang=eng

Now, Control + Find ‘commanded’.

So, which is it? Are you ignorant despite a lifetime of study and devotion, or are you lying again?

- Doc
In your link we are taught that we should worship…in fact commanded to worship (recognize, follow, and obey)…the one and only True God…and no other.

If we are going to follow God, His will is that we follow Him and not a false god.

But there is nothing that I could find that says God will FORCE us to worship and/or follow in His ways.

We claim the ​​​privilege​ of worshiping Almighty God according to the ​​​dictates​ of our own ​​​conscience​, and allow all men the same privilege, let them ​​​worship​ how, where, or what they may.
Articles of Faith #11
So, no worries Doc, no one is going to make you do anything you don’t want to do.

Remember the group Blind Faith?

Do What You Like.

Regards,
MG
Does God demand worship? Yes or no.

- Doc
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Re: How long/intensely did you believe in the historicity of the Book of Mormon?

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 11:23 pm
drumdude wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 11:12 pm


I'm waiting for Jesus Christ and Heavenly Father to appear to me in a grove of trees. I don't think I will get confused on how many personages are there, and I definitely won't wait 12 years to write about it here like Joseph Jr did.
Best wishes. In the meantime you can live the way YOU choose. No pesky god to get in the way.

Regards,
MG
Since you and every other religious person chooses which god to follow, I really don't see it making any difference in the way we live our lives.

I can just as easily construct a mind forged manacle without god as with. Not all secular people are free, and not all religious people are constrained.
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Re: How long/intensely did you believe in the historicity of the Book of Mormon?

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MG 2.0:

Does the Mormon God demand worship or not?

We all know the answer is yes. Why do you think that is so?

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/sea ... all&page=1

Is it because he is jealous as the Old Testament says? Isn't jealousy a sin, like coveting? Anyway, why do you suppose worship is demanded? At a certain point you supposedly will be a god of your own creations. Will you demand worship? Why? Don't you have enough confidence in yourself to not need the worship nonsense? Why not be a partner with your creations instead of an authoritarian fascist?
Myth is misused by the powerful to subjugate the masses all too often.
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Re: How long/intensely did you believe in the historicity of the Book of Mormon?

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Dr Exiled wrote:
Wed Aug 24, 2022 12:28 am
Obviously they were focusing on what they were missing. Is that what is going on with you?
Umm…what am I missing?

Regards,
MG
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Re: How long/intensely did you believe in the historicity of the Book of Mormon?

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Wed Aug 24, 2022 12:38 am
MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 11:41 pm


In your link we are taught that we should worship…in fact commanded to worship (recognize, follow, and obey)…the one and only True God…and no other.

If we are going to follow God, His will is that we follow Him and not a false god.

But there is nothing that I could find that says God will FORCE us to worship and/or follow in His ways.



So, no worries Doc, no one is going to make you do anything you don’t want to do.

Remember the group Blind Faith?

Do What You Like.

Regards,
MG
Does God demand worship? Yes or no.

- Doc
I’ve given my answer.

Regards,
MG
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Re: How long/intensely did you believe in the historicity of the Book of Mormon?

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drumdude wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 11:12 pm
I'm waiting for Jesus Christ and Heavenly Father to appear to me in a grove of trees. I don't think I will get confused on how many personages are there, and I definitely won't wait 12 years to write about it here like Joseph Jr did.
:lol:
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