Mopologist William Schryver Continues His Descent Into Madness

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honorentheos wrote:
Sun Sep 18, 2022 6:37 pm
Russia's security claims as a sovereign nation are foremost in our own calculations.
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Is JJM correct to believe the US ultimately sees a weakened Putin a positive and would support achieving it within bounds? I think few would argue otherwise.
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Interesting, and perhaps enlightening - to my amateur eyes, this reads like a balanced and well-informed perspective:

Russia’s underperforming military capability may be key to its downfall

Jack Watling

Despite superior firepower, Russian forces have failed to fulfil their potential and face a dispiriting battle to regain the upper hand over Ukraine


Guardian, 18 September
Viewed purely in terms of the size of their formations and equipment, Russian ground forces in Ukraine still pose a serious threat on a number of axes. In practice, however, it is highly unlikely the Russian military can recover from its increasingly terminal trajectory on the battlefield, though its defeat will take time and bitter fighting. To understand why, it is necessary to examine the force beyond its equipment and personnel.

The US assesses military capability through the abbreviation DOTMLPF. That senior US officers regularly try to roll this off the tongue as an acronym may exemplify military absurdity, but the abbreviation is somewhat redeemed by being fairly comprehensive. It stands for: doctrine, organisation, training, materiel, leadership and education, personnel and facilities. Looking at the Russian military across these categories reveals why it is underperforming its potential and struggling to regenerate.

To begin with, Russian strengths: Russian doctrine – the theory of how the army should fight – is clear, precise, well evidenced and conceptually elegant. Russian doctrine is often far ahead of western military theory. This creates a methodological challenge for intelligence assessments of Russian operations, because if they are executed as described in higher military orders, then the conclusion is often that they would succeed. The practice, however, rarely matches the theory.

Russian materiel is generally exceptionally well designed and adequately built. To take a specific example, the Orlan-10, which is the primary drone flown by Russian forces, is cheap and simple to operate. It is not sophisticated, but because it flies too high to be targeted by short-range air defences and is too inexpensive to justify the use of long-range air defences, it is designed to be thoroughly awkward to destroy, while giving its operators a sufficient view of the battlefield to identify targets.

The weakness of Russian materiel tends to be that it is inflexible – designed to perform one specified task well – and that multiple generations of systems being employed simultaneously makes maintenance difficult. This problem has been massively exacerbated in Ukraine as the Russians pull more and more generations of equipment out of storage to replace losses.

The Russian military also benefits from its facilities. The Russians have an efficient rail network optimised for the movement of combat equipment. They also have many factories to produce munitions, with the companies involved directly under government control, and access to most necessary raw materials. Where the west has pursued efficiency at the expense of resilience, the Russians still have excess capacity in their production lines. This is far less true for precision weapons, since Russia lacks an advanced microelectronics industry and must therefore import critical components.

These strengths, however, do not compensate for the significant shortcomings of the Russian military. To begin with, organisation: Russia’s military was designed to fight short, high-intensity wars. Without full national mobilisation, it is too small, its units lack the logistical enablement and its equipment is ill-suited to a protracted war. When the Russian military issued orders to its troops in the autumn of 2021, it estimated a need for them to be deployed for nine months. They are now reaching that limit. The Ukrainians, by contrast, have been organising their military since 2014 for precisely this kind of war.

In the absence of strong leadership, troops are largely unmotivated and are unwilling to risk their lives for one another
One of the greatest deficiencies in the Russian military is leadership and education. The leadership culture is dictatorial and enforced by fear. Corruption is structurally encouraged by the Kremlin so that the civilian authorities have the threat of legal action against military commanders. Corruption, however, wreaks havoc on Russian logistics. Fear of punishment has created a military in which soldiers will doggedly implement orders even when they no longer make sense. For example, Russian artillery units routinely prosecute targets in the order that they receive fire missions, with no contextual prioritisation. Even when new intelligence indicates a target has moved, Russian units will often engage the previous location and then the new one, giving the target time to move once more.

Poor leadership also means that Russia has serious problems with its personnel. There is a limited career path for long-term soldiers. This leads to retention problems that have caused the Russian military to continue to depend upon conscripts.

With a rapidly ageing population, Russia lacks young recruits. The low standard of living in much of the country produces troops unfamiliar with much modern technology. Moreover, in the absence of any clear ideology or strong leadership in units, troops are largely unmotivated, do not work effectively as teams and are unwilling to risk their lives for one another. The Russian infantry have therefore lacked offensive combat power. These problems have become worse as casualties have mounted. Again, this is an area where Ukraine has clear advantages.

Perhaps one of the greatest weaknesses of the country’s military system, though, is training. First, it simply does not do enough of it. At the beginning of the war, for example, there were fewer than 100 fully trained Russian pilots bordering Ukraine, despite Russia having at least 317 combat aircraft deployedto the theatre.

Second, Russian soldiers tend to receive training that is narrowly bounded to their assigned task. This makes these troops inflexible, lacking situational awareness of what is being done around them and unable to cover one another’s tasks.

Third, the Russians do most of their training in their units. As the units are in Ukraine, there is very little capacity to train new recruits before they are sent to war.

This severely hampers efforts at mobilisation and the generation of new units. Ukraine struggles with training because, unlike Russia, its facilities are under missile attack – hence the importance of training in the UK – but the training provided is far superior.

Despite itsequipment superiority to Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, Russia significantly underperformed against its potential. Moreover, the institutional areas of weakness make its military far less adaptable. Now that Russian troops are outnumbered, unmotivated and their equipment is deteriorating, the Kremlin’s prospects are rapidly diminishing.

Jack Watling is senior research fellow for land warfare at the Royal United Services Institute (Rusi)
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Years of NATO training has to have helped with the war effort. https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-mi ... 1649861339

This combined with the Russians not being quite the military power as thought by some could be the reason for the latest Ukrainian successes. Seems to point against Russia/Putin as being capable of taking over Europe as some have implied since the beginning of this war.
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Symmachus wrote:
Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:20 pm
honorentheos wrote:
Sun Sep 18, 2022 6:37 pm
Russia's security claims as a sovereign nation are foremost in our own calculations.
honorentheos wrote:
Sun Sep 18, 2022 6:37 pm
Is JJM correct to believe the US ultimately sees a weakened Putin a positive and would support achieving it within bounds? I think few would argue otherwise.
Your viewing those as synonymous is sad but revealing.

ETA: Shifted emphasis to help you out. You know, "be part of the solution" or something.
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To keep the number of variables down, I think we need to go along with H's version of Putin and silence Ukraine's wishes. Forget about what Ukraine wants. should it be a neutral buffer zone or not?

If Ukraine remaining forever neutral means that Russia remains forever self-contained, then I think it's obvious that yes, it should remain neutral. We should tell Ukraine, no, you can never join NATO.

JM seems to believe that this would be the case (from the video H linked): Putin just wants to do his thing. Western media's theory that Putin wants to advance his empire only came after 2014. Putin has always been consistent about his fears of NATO expansion. Putin lies to his people but not to other national leaders. We have every reason to believe Putin will keep his cool forever if we don't cross the NATO expansion red line.

The JM version says to take Putin's fears at face value, justified or not, and all is well. The contrary-JM versions say that Putin's public fears are a pretext for justifying "retaliation", when the time is right.

JM says that Western media assumes Putin is in a mad power grab.

On the assumptions of JM's theory, Putin has nothing to fear so long as Ukraine remains neutral. But there are other theories. According to Zehain and his consulting bros. in Texas, there are 9 gaps invaders can leverage to attack Russia that were controlled by the USSR. Russia's population is in massive decline, and to secure itself, it has small window of opportunity to take as much territory as possible to plug the gaps. Zeihan originally predicted it would take 6 months for Russia to beat Ukraine.

Another theory was mentioned by Joe Biden in that Foreign Affairs interview H linked a while back. Putin's popularity as a president may depend on Russian aggression.

(those are intended as reasons that would show Putin's actions as rational, and not based on PTG fantasies)
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Another theory was mentioned by Joe Biden in that Foreign Affairs interview H linked a while back. Putin's popularity as a president may depend on Russian aggression.
I suspect the aggression becomes a necessary tool to maintain the "Big Idea" of Russian identity that fills that niche in the Putin authoritarian regime.
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Gadianton wrote:
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The JM version says to take Putin's fears at face value, justified or not, and all is well. The contrary-JM versions say that Putin's public fears are a pretext for justifying "retaliation", when the time is right.
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(those are intended as reasons that would show Putin's actions as rational, and not based on PTG fantasies)
I would argue that JJM isn't arguing "all will be well", but rather that Russia, as a nuclear power, will always be a great power. Their seeking to control and influence Ukraine is how great powers act towards lesser powers in their region of influence. From the fall of the Soviet Union to 2014, Russia played the game of pretending Ukraine was its own nation independent of Russia. But it was really little more than a puppet, a non-neutral lesser power in the orbit of Russia's pole. JJM seems to view Russia and Putin as being realists rather than having an ideology based on rational interests of great power dynamics. Keep in mind that JJM views nationalism as rational.

So when the West and Ukraine do anything that excludes Russia, it creates conflict. This conflict isn't due to actual threats made against Russian sovereignty (because Ukraine is not part of Russia in fact) but due to Russia being akin to a divorced man who gets jealous of anyone who dated their ex. That anyone would defend this violent divorcee trying to force their ex to come back to them, and threatening anyone who talks to their ex, is unconscionable. It isn't something one justly categorizes as threatening the ex-husbands security so let's hear him out. Rational people would realize the party in this case claiming injury isn't being injured except by their own psychosis, and that the ex being threatened deserves defending.

I don't think it is an exaggeration to say those who side with the claim NATO caused the war are asserting the world reform around a 19rh century world order. That being one where great powers assert control over their regions in what JJM has described as a multipolar bounded order. It's no more so than it would be a similar regression to assert the ex-husband in the analogy is justified in their belief they should maintain control over their ex-wife as a Man.
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Chap wrote:
Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:43 pm
With a rapidly ageing population, Russia lacks young recruits. The low standard of living in much of the country produces troops unfamiliar with much modern technology. Moreover, in the absence of any clear ideology or strong leadership in units, troops are largely unmotivated, do not work effectively as teams and are unwilling to risk their lives for one another. The Russian infantry have therefore lacked offensive combat power. These problems have become worse as casualties have mounted. Again, this is an area where Ukraine has clear advantages.
This is the same problem the Chinese face which is why people are constantly keeping an eye on Taiwan now. The idea that Ukraine would have been tougher to capture in the future was paralleled with China/Taiwan. The longer countries wait the harder it gets, especially with the US providing more and more military hardware. China does have a lot of people but the One (Two/Three) Child Policy has been disastrous demographically. China's problems only get worse as their population ages and becomes harder to take care of since they don't have a safety net.
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honorentheos wrote:
Sun Sep 18, 2022 9:20 pm
Your viewing those as synonymous is sad but revealing.
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"On the one hand, America's security claims as a sovereign nation are foremost in our own calculations," Putin explained to President Obama in the late fall of 2016. "On the other hand, Russia ultimately sees a weakened US President as a positive and would support achieving it within bounds that we get to determine and you have to accept. And since these are not strictly synonymous," he clarified, "it logically follows that these two propositions are completely unrelated to each other: we are just attempting to undermine the leadership of the United States, and that has nothing to do with its national security or national sovereignty."
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Symmachus wrote:
Sun Sep 18, 2022 11:04 pm
honorentheos wrote:
Sun Sep 18, 2022 9:20 pm
Your viewing those as synonymous is sad but revealing.
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"On the one hand, America's security claims as a sovereign nation are foremost in our own calculations," Putin explained to President Obama in the late fall of 2016. "On the other hand, Russia ultimately sees a weakened US President as a positive and would support achieving it within bounds"
In 2016 the American people voted a new person into office and Obama took up more writing and basketball. Obama and America are not synonymous.

And here is you reverting to the core cynicism that couldn't help but be injected, inserting democratic offices in for autocrats and non sequitur embellishments - follow the dancing claims!
that we get to determine and you have to accept. And since these are not strictly synonymous," he clarified, "it logically follows that these two propositions are completely unrelated to each other: we are just attempting to undermine the leadership of the United States, and that has nothing to do with its national security or national sovereignty.
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