Abortion Split from: "What the [LDS] church misrepresented in the AP article response"

[Marcus]

Mentalgymnast is derailing again, so apparently it needs to be said again

Nice try to divert the attention away from the topic at hand. The Church is still in the wrong. The leaders have been and continue to make big mistakes here, mistakes that you don't want to acknowledge (hence the diversion attempt) or try to justify somehow.

Incidentally, whataboutism is a form of the tu quoque fallacy and a subtype of the ad-hominem. But you already know this.

Mentalgymnast, please start your own thread and stop derailing.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Here. Put your abortion comments here.

[Rivendale]

Here is one that puzzles me. The church allows for abortion after rape because it is a unchosen biological condition. The church admits same sex attraction ( which is an unchosen biological condition) is not chosen yet restricts activity. Maybe this is a paradox?

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Here is one that puzzles me. The church allows for abortion after rape because it is a unchosen biological condition. The church admits same sex attraction ( which is an unchosen biological condition) is not chosen yet restricts activity. Maybe this is a paradox?

Which means Mormons, policy wise at least, are ok with ‘killing innocent babies’. It’s ideologically nonsensical.

- Doc

[MG 2.0]

Mentalgymnast is derailing again, so apparently it needs to be said again

Nice try to divert the attention away from the topic at hand. The Church is still in the wrong. The leaders have been and continue to make big mistakes here, mistakes that you don't want to acknowledge (hence the diversion attempt) or try to justify somehow.

Incidentally, whataboutism is a form of the tu quoque fallacy and a subtype of the ad-hominem. But you already know this.

Mentalgymnast, please start your own thread and stop derailing.

As you can see the thread has now been split off. I am fine with that.

Now, say your piece in regards to the topic of this current thread or back off.

Regards,
MG

[dastardly stem]

Why is it immoral for someone to end the development of a conglomeration of cells in a woman’s body? The fetus is not technically a child until born...

But for the grace and goodness of your mother in not electing to abort her child you live and breathe.

Millions of others haven't been so privileged.

That you can even say this turns my stomach.

Regards,
MG

The pile of cells developing in a woman is not an “other” until birth. You carry far too many assumptions here and no one else is obligated to accept your assumptions,mg.

Yes, if I weren’t born I wouldn’t have been born. That is a fascinating thought. Please square this problem of abortionwith your god who is responsible for far more abortions than humans.

[MG 2.0]

The pile of cells developing in a woman is not an “other” until birth. You carry far too many assumptions here and no one else is obligated to accept your assumptions,mg.

Yes, if I weren’t born I wouldn’t have been born.

Interesting thought, isn’t it? And this applies to the millions of babies aborted by their mothers for reasons other than protecting the life of the mother or in cases of rape.

“Pile of cells”. How flippant.

What happens during week 5 - 6?

The embryo is less than 1/5 inch (4–5 mm) long.

A part of the embryo starts to show cardiac activity. It sounds like a heartbeat on an ultrasound, but it's not a fully-formed heart — it's the earliest stage of the heart developing.

Buds for arms and legs develop.

The neural tube begins forming. The neural tube will later form the brain, spinal cord, and major nerves.

The bud of a tail develops.

The umbilical cord begins developing.

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn ... -pregnancy

A “friendly” source.

As I’ve already said but it bears repeating, it’s almost incomprehensible that folks do not seem to understand the heinous nature of both child exploitation/rape/incest, and the like, AND aborting innocent children before they ever have a chance to take their first breath.

Each one of us should be grateful for mothers that chose life rather than abortion. Many are not so lucky. We should be angered and appalled.

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

Doc, I started splitting the abortion topic out of the child abuse thread before I noticed that you had started this thread. Do you mind if I merge it into the abortion split?

Nope! By all means …

Thanks to both of you.

[doubtingthomas]

AND aborting innocent children before they ever have a chance to take their first breath.

According to the prophet, "So far as is known, the Lord does not regard [abortion] as murder". Abortion is not a big deal for the church, "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as an institution has not favored or opposed specific legislative proposals or public demonstrations concerning abortion."
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... n?lang=eng

[dastardly stem]

Interesting thought, isn’t it? And this applies to the millions of babies aborted by their mothers for reasons other than protecting the life of the mother or in cases of rape.

“Pile of cells”. How flippant.

What happens during week 5 - 6?

The embryo is less than 1/5 inch (4–5 mm) long.

A part of the embryo starts to show cardiac activity. It sounds like a heartbeat on an ultrasound, but it's not a fully-formed heart — it's the earliest stage of the heart developing.

Buds for arms and legs develop.

The neural tube begins forming. The neural tube will later form the brain, spinal cord, and major nerves.

The bud of a tail develops.

The umbilical cord begins developing.

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn ... -pregnancy

A “friendly” source.

As I’ve already said but it bears repeating, it’s almost incomprehensible that folks do not seem to understand the heinous nature of both child exploitation/rape/incest, and the like, AND aborting innocent children before they ever have a chance to take their first breath.

Each one of us should be grateful for mothers that chose life rather than abortion. Many are not so lucky. We should be angered and appalled.

Regards,
MG

It’s not a child, mg. You continue to object because you assume a fetus, a conglomeration of devoting cells inside a woman, is an old individual child. No one is obligated to accept your assumptions.

And you continue to sidestep the questions put to you on this topic for some reason. God is responsible for more abortions than anyone.