Faithful Mormon asks how he can be heard by church leaders

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drumdude wrote:
Mon Oct 10, 2022 10:24 pm
msnobody wrote:
Mon Oct 10, 2022 8:35 pm


I too was told that my letters would not get through. Maybe it is different for non-members. I got two responses when I wrote to them. One was from one of the GA’s secretary, and the other one was a very nice handwritten note from one of the Qo12 that echoed the wording of what I had written.
When abouts did you receive the letter, and would you be able to share any more details of it?

They do apparently like to receive praise and adoration, I'm sure that makes it through the initial screenings much more often than questions and criticism.
September 2020. One was a printout of a talk by one of the Q12 sent by his secretary. No name was provided. The second one sent a kind handwritten note and a book.


With the right approach, I think it is worth a try writing to them.
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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Mon Oct 10, 2022 7:05 pm
The COB regularly monitors this board.
Kinda fun to think about. That important peeps in Mormon royalty have read and been influenced by my posts. Well, maybe not mine per se...

Anyway, I think I'd miss my guess to say that this board wasn't influential in causing the essays to be penned. In fact, it may turn out that this board could wind up being more significant - in what the final face of Mormonism looks like - than even Joseph himself. And remember, J. Smith has done more for humanity than Jesus. So, pretty cool that.
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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Mon Oct 10, 2022 7:05 pm
The COB regularly monitors this board.
Why?
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Maybe they view this site as harmful to the “truth” claims of the Church?

Or maybe they like reading about the dirt on DCP?
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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Tue Oct 11, 2022 2:00 am
Maybe they view this site as harmful to the “truth” claims of the Church?

Or maybe they like reading about the dirt on DCP?
Seriously? I think they have better things to do than listen to you guys gripe and grouse.

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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Tue Oct 11, 2022 2:00 am
Maybe they view this site as harmful to the “truth” claims of the Church?

Or maybe they like reading about the dirt on DCP?
Interesting. Perhaps also they look here to discover what and when certain departments leak information. Over the years, a number of juicy stories landed here first.
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drumdude wrote:
Sat Oct 08, 2022 5:46 am
https://www.reddit.com/r/latterdaysaint ... h_leaders/
I, and I think many fellow young members of the church, feel like I'm in a constant wrestle with the church. I love the gospel. I love Christ and his teachings, I believe we're all children of God, I've seen miracles and felt things I cannot deny. But there are people who have been truly hurt by the church and its leaders on a church-wide and local level. Growing up it was easy to ignore it, in fact I was taught to ignore it. But I really can't anymore. I feel so heavily the pain that has been caused. I know that the members are imperfect, and I'm working on forgiveness. But a lot of what the church does as an institution feels like it goes against the very things it taught me to value. Taking accountability, improving on our weaknesses, justice against wrongdoings and advocating for victims and the marginalized. It's really disheartening. Please don't come at me in the comments, I just want to express how I'm feeling. I feel like there's no avenue for me to voice these concerns. I can and do talk to my Bishop, he's amazing. I can talk to my Stake President, which I have, and which was not nearly as validating. But it stops there. I don't think my Stake President is passing that on to anyone else, unless I'm wrong about how that works. I just want to be heard. I wish that there was a way to express concern in a sincere, non-threatening way to our higher up leaders. Does anyone know of any way to do this without being labeled as antagonistic to the church? TIA
This seems like a sincere post from someone who is struggling with how they can be a part of the restored gospel while sometimes getting rubbed the wrong way by certain aspects of the organization. This is hard. The person seems like they are at a loss and are not sure what to do. Yes, letter writing normally gets routed back down to local leaders. The individual may feel like the word doesn't get past the stake president, but it does. I haven't been a stake president, so I don't know too many details, but stake presidents take things to their coordinating council and discuss them with area authorities which get passed onto area presidencies and up to other general authorities. If a stake president feels like multiple members are struggling with certain issues in general, I'm sure there is a way they can pass that along. I know personally that specific cases also get passed along. I was once asked by our area authority to start up a correspondence with a member in a completely different coordinating counsel (on the other side of California) who was struggling with a particular issue regarding their testimony. I guess the area authority felt like with my background in science I could help. Unfortunately, as many of you know, there usually isn't a silver bullet for these sorts of struggles. I was able to help a little, but not a ton.

It may be that we could do better at letting members know they are heard. I know these sorts of things get passed up to general authorities, but there may be no feedback to the members. They may not know that their concerns were heard, discussed, and acted upon. Of course, it may be that this happens most often in aggregate and just doesn't have much traceability back to individual members.

Anyway, thanks for passing this along DrumDude. When I read stories like this it reminds me that there are sincere people who are struggling and really aren't trying to be antagonistic, but they still have serious issues that should be heard. There is always so much more we can do to improve people's experience with the gospel.
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JohnW wrote:
Tue Oct 11, 2022 5:22 am
This seems like a sincere post from someone who is struggling with how they can be a part of the restored gospel while sometimes getting rubbed the wrong way by certain aspects of the organization. This is hard. The person seems like they are at a loss and are not sure what to do. Yes, letter writing normally gets routed back down to local leaders. The individual may feel like the word doesn't get past the stake president, but it does. I haven't been a stake president, so I don't know too many details, but stake presidents take things to their coordinating council and discuss them with area authorities which get passed onto area presidencies and up to other general authorities. If a stake president feels like multiple members are struggling with certain issues in general, I'm sure there is a way they can pass that along. I know personally that specific cases also get passed along. I was once asked by our area authority to start up a correspondence with a member in a completely different coordinating counsel (on the other side of California) who was struggling with a particular issue regarding their testimony. I guess the area authority felt like with my background in science I could help. Unfortunately, as many of you know, there usually isn't a silver bullet for these sorts of struggles. I was able to help a little, but not a ton.

It may be that we could do better at letting members know they are heard. I know these sorts of things get passed up to general authorities, but there may be no feedback to the members. They may not know that their concerns were heard, discussed, and acted upon. Of course, it may be that this happens most often in aggregate and just doesn't have much traceability back to individual members….
Thank you for your comments, but they are not believable. After your “severity softening” comments in the thread on child abuse, where you clearly stated many things that you could not support with evidence and also minimized many serious issues on the basis of no information but only an apparent obligation to support your church even when the data clearly showed it was insupportable, your credibility is very, very low.
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MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Oct 11, 2022 2:23 am
Seriously? I think they have better things to do than listen to you guys gripe and grouse.

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Marcus wrote:
Tue Oct 11, 2022 5:45 am
Thank you for your comments, but they are not believable. After your “severity softening” comments in the thread on child abuse, where you clearly stated many things that you could not support with evidence and also minimized many serious issues on the basis of no information but only an apparent obligation to support your church even when the data clearly showed it was insupportable, your credibility is very, very low.
John W, this is Marcus’s modus operandi. Don’t let her discourage you from participating on the board. I along with others enjoy your perspective as a science guy.

She may twist things around having you say things that you really didn’t say, set up a strawman to take you down, etc.

Keep on trucking’ and give your viewpoints. I appreciate your transparency and forthrightness.

You come across as a credible witness to the message/restoration of the gospel while at the same time demonstrating that you do not have your head buried in the sand.

Your voice is welcome here.

Regards,
MG
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