Jenn Kamp Files Lawsuit Against John Dehlin

[Kishkumen]

Grifting shitpot and Z-List celebrity is once again being accused of uncouth behavior? Heck yeah! Can’t wait to see those emotional WAHMEN get totally PWNED because of their lack of LOGIC AND EVIDENCE.

OK. So, I like listening to Mormon Stories, and, regardless of what I may think of John Dehlin, I predict empty accusations, without evidence, will not be the end of Mormon Stories, no matter who would like that to be the case. And, I do think there are people who want that to happen. In any case, I will believe what the evidence points to, mostly because I don’t have much else to go on.

I am emotional all the time. I don’t always have logic either. But, I am going to need some evidence to say, “Yeah, X’s claim is right.”

Is this a tedious crap show? Sure is. Oh well. It is a crap show that I care just enough about not to want a false accusation destroy a podcast I have followed for over a decade. I’ll deal with it of course if Dehlin actually did something to justify bringing MoSto to a close.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

I’ll offer up a suggestion for the Open Stories Foundation folks. In the future, when you feel like it’s time to move off a co-host, what you want to do is this:

1) Tell them they’re great. Don’t worry about reality because you have to worry about perception management. They’re always great, amazing, strong, powerful, and amazing (did I mention they’re amazing?).

2) Give them their own show. This is because they’re amazing and powerful and ‘bring a different perspective’ you’re sure the masses crave, because the masses really super want to hear those voices! Totes. For reals. Call the show something amazing and powerful like, “Rising Up!”, or “Voices Rise Up!”, or “A New Day where Amazing Voices are Rising!” IT’S TIME THE WORLD GETS TO KNOW SO AND SO AND HERE’S THEIR NEW SHOW.

3) Promote the new show hard for a week or two, so you can’t be accused of failing to promote the talent or whatever.

4) Move on. Get an actual good co-host who understands preparation, and has good timing with JD. Gerardo is pretty good at this. But what you really want is a Robin Quivers to your Howard Stern. Perfection.

5) When the new show fails to garner whatever metrics you’re using to measure viability or success, well, shucks, it looks like we’re going to have to cancel it because, gosh darn it, it’s losing money and we just can’t maintain this business model. Ugh. But, yeah, sorry, this is the board’s decision, totally not JD’s because he’s way over there working on his own show, so, yeah, sorry. BUT YOU’RE GREAT AND WE KNOW YOU’RE GOING TO FIND YOUR FOOTING SOMEWHERE!

You’re welcome, Open Stories Foundation.

- Doc

[Kishkumen]

I’ll offer up a suggestion for the Open Stories Foundation folks. In the future, when you feel like it’s time to move off a co-host, what you want to do is this:

1) Tell them they’re great. Don’t worry about reality because you have to worry about perception management. They’re always great, amazing, strong, powerful, and amazing (did I mention they’re amazing?).

2) Give them their own show. This is because they’re amazing and powerful and ‘bring a different perspective’ you’re sure the masses crave, because the masses really super want to hear those voices! Totes. For reals. Call the show something amazing and powerful like, “Rising Up!”, or “Voices Rise Up!”, or “A New Day where Amazing Voices are Rising!” IT’S TIME THE WORLD GETS TO KNOW SO AND SO AND HERE’S THEIR NEW SHOW.

3) Promote the new show hard for a week or two, so you can’t be accused of failing to promote the talent or whatever.

4) Move on. Get an actual good co-host who understands preparation, and has good timing with John Dehlin. Gerardo is pretty good at this. But what you really want is a Robin Quivers to your Howard Stern. Perfection.

5) When the new show fails to garner whatever metrics you’re using to measure viability or success, well, shucks, it looks like we’re going to have to cancel it because, gosh darn it, it’s losing money and we just can’t maintain this business model. Ugh. But, yeah, sorry, this is the board’s decision, totally not John Dehlin’s because he’s way over there working on his own show, so, yeah, sorry. BUT YOU’RE GREAT AND WE KNOW YOU’RE GOING TO FIND YOUR FOOTING SOMEWHERE!

You’re welcome, Open Stories Foundation.

- Doc

Man, why aren’t they paying YOU a good wage?!

[DrStakhanovite]

I am emotional all the time. I don’t always have logic either. But, I am going to need some evidence to say, “Yeah, X’s claim is right.”

A Clinical Psychologist is once again having a public falling out with yet another female peer or subordinate from his own non-profit. There is a pattern developing here with the kind of women he surrounds himself with and the inevitable trainwreck that comes with their departure. It is such a rich vein of irony that this particular foundation is racking up all these messy exit-narratives from women because the genesis of this same foundation was examining messy exit-narratives from LDS Churches.

This is going to happen again, because the common factor in all of this is John Dehlin and that dude ain't changing his ways.

[Kishkumen]

A Clinical Psychologist is once again having a public falling out with yet another female peer or subordinate from his own non-profit. There is a pattern developing here with the kind of women he surrounds himself with and the inevitable trainwreck that comes with their departure. It is such a rich vein of irony that this particular foundation is racking up all these messy exit-narratives from women because the genesis of this same foundation was examining messy exit-narratives from LDS Churches.

This is going to happen again, because the common factor in all of this is John Dehlin and that dude ain't changing his ways.

Absolutely. We could also go beyond Dehlin himself and note the rich irony of so many aspects of the ex-Mormon experience. Critics who act like apologists, ex-Mormons who excommunicate each other from their communities. It’s all here. Mormon Stories exit narratives are definitely a staple feature of the show.

Is the common denominator here Dehlin or is it Mormonism? The latter is the common denominator that REALLY interests me. Dehlin might not be exactly guilty of what he is accused of, and what you are saying would remain absolutely true because he and these disgruntled employees (not just women, remember jpatterson) are playing out a conflict that they cannot seem to escape even though the door is always wide open in front of all of them.

[Dr Moore]

I’ll offer up a suggestion for the Open Stories Foundation folks. In the future, when you feel like it’s time to move off a co-host, what you want to do is this:

1) Tell them they’re great. Don’t worry about reality because you have to worry about perception management. They’re always great, amazing, strong, powerful, and amazing (did I mention they’re amazing?).

2) Give them their own show. This is because they’re amazing and powerful and ‘bring a different perspective’ you’re sure the masses crave, because the masses really super want to hear those voices! Totes. For reals. Call the show something amazing and powerful like, “Rising Up!”, or “Voices Rise Up!”, or “A New Day where Amazing Voices are Rising!” IT’S TIME THE WORLD GETS TO KNOW SO AND SO AND HERE’S THEIR NEW SHOW.

3) Promote the new show hard for a week or two, so you can’t be accused of failing to promote the talent or whatever.

4) Move on. Get an actual good co-host who understands preparation, and has good timing with John Dehlin. Gerardo is pretty good at this. But what you really want is a Robin Quivers to your Howard Stern. Perfection.

5) When the new show fails to garner whatever metrics you’re using to measure viability or success, well, shucks, it looks like we’re going to have to cancel it because, gosh darn it, it’s losing money and we just can’t maintain this business model. Ugh. But, yeah, sorry, this is the board’s decision, totally not John Dehlin’s because he’s way over there working on his own show, so, yeah, sorry. BUT YOU’RE GREAT AND WE KNOW YOU’RE GOING TO FIND YOUR FOOTING SOMEWHERE!

You’re welcome, Open Stories Foundation.

- Doc

Man, why aren’t they paying YOU a good wage?!

How many of these until the employee inside joke is that "here's your own show" is synonymous with "we're putting you out to pasture."

There's no substitute for giving people the hard truth, even when it hurts.

I do agree with Dr. Stak, that JD shoots himself in the foot with screening. I wonder if, in an effort to diversify, he brings on women co-hosts or key assistants -- and I realize this is a crude over simplification -- who also counterbalance his Doctorial logic with a softer side of painful faith crisis (eg, emotional over logical). Anyway, it kind of makes sense from a completeness standpoint, but is clearly a disaster waiting to happen at the exit door if ratings fall.

No, I think if John remains committed to diversifying his show away from its white hetero male host, he should probably not solve for so many dimensions at once. Like, add a highly-trained female psychologist, historian, or academic. Someone who already has a serious brand and isn't uncomfortable working next to sharp elbowed logic.

By the way, where is Cara as a positive case study in all of this? I understand Cara broke with MoSto not for personal discomfort or this swirling so-called work-environment BS, or even for performance, but because she wanted to pursue humor full time and MoSto wasn't the forum. Great - she had that brand, figured it out with John, and I sense she is doing just fine back on her own. But I'm sure there were a couple of hard conversations leading up to her departure. So, anyway, that happened and I think it's highly material information.

John deals with enough emotional people as guests; no need to feature that dimension in other hosts. My two cents. His product doesn't need to feature host diversity on every dimension to be inclusive with diverse points of view.

[Marcus]

...JD shoots himself in the foot with screening. I wonder if, [for a number of possibly unhealthy reasons] he brings on women co-hosts or key assistants....

I apologize for inserting the brackets, but with them, in my opinion, this statement is definitely getting closer to a key underlying issue here.

[Kishkumen]

Good point about Cara, Dr Moore. She was a real asset to the show, I thought. I had been ignoring MoSto for a while, and her arrival was such a breath of fresh air that I started listening again. I am glad she continues to do well, and I am not surprised, as she was clearly able to succeed without MoSto and John Dehlin.

[Moksha]

I do agree with Dr. Stak, that John Dehlin shoots himself in the foot with screening. I wonder if, in an effort to diversify, he brings on women co-hosts or key assistants -- and I realize this is a crude over simplification -- who also counterbalance his Doctorial logic with a softer side of painful faith crisis (eg, emotional over logical).

Not having women, other than Margie, on staff is possible as a safety precaution. Although Maven does provide a marvelous moderator for the broadcast side comments.

[Tator]

Mormonism is a $hitty business, getting out of Mormonism is a $hitty business.