MDDB Thread On "No Fapping"

[Everybody Wang Chung]

What is in the water over at MDDB? Recently Nehor, who used to post at the old mormondiscussion board, just came out of the closet and announced that he is now bisexual. If you recall, Nehor loved to condemn posters here as unrighteous, liberal progressives and heading on a one-way ticket to Outer Darkness.

This recent thread at MDDB caught my attention. The OP is called, "Have decided to quit masturbation and go nofap + working out + eating healthy + read more scriptures"

I am 17, half-Mexican, and have autism, I detoxified from pornography for two months and now respect both women and men of all different backgrounds way more than I did before and realized that masturbation was just a scam and that I have been working out for 2 months, working out and eating healthy, it gave me more control over my testosterone and less sexual thoughts and treating people better equally, but now I want to quit masturbation and start a nofap streak as an experiment to see if anything changes, I think I will see change but first I want to see if I can truly have control over my body with no masturbation, I want to get closer to my culture and religion by not masturbating and working out, eating healthy, and learning Spanish, I have already went to Spanish school in Mexico, I hope I can succeed, wish me luck with my new streak that can hopefully get me more lifting, I also want to go to my Church more and read more scriptures.

I have already seen results by being more religious and deciding to quit masturbation, my crush has seen me more often show at school and I’m starting to realize I have the control.

¡I will experiment to see if reading more scriptures and quitting more masturbation can help me become more religious and have the control to quit, wish me luck on my new nofap streak, and me going to Guatemala this summer with my crush from school hopefully to learn more Spanish!

In response, Pogi gives this advice:

My advice as a recovering addict is to be patient with yourself. Don't beat yourself up over relapses.

Folks, you can't make this stuff up.

https://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/74 ... criptures/

[drumdude]

The Mormon church could get a TON of traction if they latched on to the MGTOW/redpill movement!

[Wonhyo]

What is in the water over at MDDB? Recently Nehor, who used to post at the old mormondiscussion board, just came out of the closet and announced that he is now bisexual. If you recall, Nehor loved to condemn posters here as unrighteous, liberal progressives and heading on a one-way ticket to Outer Darkness.

https://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/74 ... criptures/

The Nehor's participation on the old board was wildly entertaining, and even occasionally included tales of otherworldly beings suddenly appearing to prevent him from engaging in acts of immorality. His replies to posters he deemed to be wicked or Democrats were often so hyperbolic that they suggested secret, deeply-hidden empathies for the very issues he was attacking like a wolverine. ("The lady doth protest too much...", we all thought.)

I miss the Nehor and would like to publicly extend an invitation to him to rejoin his brethren here at discussmormonism.com. Come back, Nehor. You'll be amongst friends.

[Dr Moore]

That’s a funny catch, Everybody Wang Chung. I’m laughing out loud.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

What is in the water over at MDDB? Recently Nehor, who used to post at the old mormondiscussion board, just came out of the closet and announced that he is now bisexual. If you recall, Nehor loved to condemn posters here as unrighteous, liberal progressives and heading on a one-way ticket to Outer Darkness.

Would you mind posting his coming out thread? I always find these things interesting. I kind of wondered if The Nehor was just asexual because I believed him to single and didn’t seem overly anxious to be in a relationship. This makes more sense, though.

- Doc

[Everybody Wang Chung]

Would you mind posting his coming out thread? I always find these things interesting. I kind of wondered if The Nehor was just asexual because I believed him to single and didn’t seem overly anxious to be in a relationship. This makes more sense, though.

- Doc

THIS

My dating life has been complicated by when I share my bisexuality I often suddenly find them scrutinizing ALL of my friendships. This is so common it is practically a bisexual meme: “There are NO FRIENDS! ONLY PREY!” It has made me less tolerant of suspicion in general. Now I don’t laugh it off a bit if they are jealous of my female friends.

https://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/74 ... 1210122755


AND

When I was growing up being gay was a sin and I was raised to (mostly) believe that becoming gay was a choice. There was some pushback to that idea from some teachers and sources but on the whole I believed it was a choice. Plus President Kimball was backing me up. I have long since dismissed that idea as a myth but I never really questioned where it came from or why i believed it so easily back then. Actual gay people rarely believed it was a choice. And why would heterosexual people pontificate on some kind of a choice being made when they never made that choice? Hence the laughs when you ask the homophobe when they decided to be straight.

A few weeks ago I was reading through an old High School journal and came upon a time I had a crush on a girl I knew. I smiled at the memory as it was a doomed crush and was even more doomed with the benefit of hindsight. What I didn’t write down (I knew even then not to write this stuff down) but memory brought back was that I also had a crush on that crush’s one year younger brother at the same time. I remembered little deeply closeted bisexual me deliberately choosing to pursue her instead of him because it was the right thing to do. I was chuckling at naïve me and then suddenly my eyes went wide as I realized what I had done and the reasoning behind it and why I so easily believed homosexuality was a choice growing up. For me IT LITERALLY WAS! I don’t mean the choice to be attracted to guys was a choice. It never was and probably never will be but I had another attractive option and I could “CHOOSE THE RIGHT/stRaIGHT”

So I started looking at it and ran a thought exercise and realized that if younger me were inexplicably asked to give a sermon on avoiding gay relationships I would have framed it as a choice between choosing the good wholesome approved attractions and ignoring and shunning the bad attractions. Is it the fault of bisexuals this myth came to be? If I leaned more towards attraction to guys it probably would have been a little more desperate of a sermon about how tempting the sin was and that choosing the right is hard and may seem unrewarding. If I favored women more it might have been written more about how only the weak fall to this inferior temptation. Bisexuals are almost perfectly designed to create this narrative.

When I was a teenager I couldn’t conceive of monosexuality. After I hit puberty I assumed everyone had crushes and were attracted to boys and girls and pretty much everyone was ignoring their attraction to their own gender. It wasn’t until much later that I realized that this wasn’t normal and I wasn’t normal. They weren’t just really good at controlling and hiding their attraction. That weird mockery of homosexuality with guys flirting with each other was not secretly expressing themselves but was (usually) genuine scorn. Shame that. I secretly loved it because it was a chance to let part of myself out for a short time. Knowing that most guys just literally weren’t attracted to guys at all was a huge shock and it took me years to admit what it meant.

Were the preachers and culture warriors fighting homosexual acceptance a bunch of closeted bisexuals fighting their inner demons and trying to cheerlead others to do the same? I am now much more curious at all the people who froth against the lgbt community and claim to see the threat. Is that threat really the tiny minority out there fighting for equal rights or is it some inner demon they are wrestling with and the whole thing is them projecting their own inner struggle?

One aspect of bisexuality that is not very commonly known is something colloquially called the bi-cycle. Basically a lot of bisexual people have their level of desire for men and women fluctuate. To some it is fast shifts and to some it is a slow up and down. Some are boy-crazy one day and girl-crazy the next. For some a cycle can last a year. It is not universal but it is pretty common. Most of the time the attraction in a romantic loving relationship is immune to the bi-cycle. The bonding keeps that individual attraction strong. Now suppose a single Christian or a Christian with no strong relationship with their spouse or partner hits the bi-cycle hard and suddenly loses attraction to their spouse and the one ‘allowed’ gender and the ‘forbidden’ gender starts looking mighty attractive. It would be easy to cast this as devilish temptation and the shift back the other way as God delivering you from the demons of homosexuality. How many reported gay cures were just that cycle reversing? How many of those political and religious firebrands denouncing the evils of the gay agenda and then getting caught expressing the sin they denounced were bisexuals hating their own attraction but unable to fight it when it grew strong. I can even see drag queens and gender bending of other kinds being seen as evil deceptions. A lot of bisexual people (but not all) find androgyny attractive. The femboy vs. tomboy debates are serious business but they always end with everyone wanting both.

So while I have no authority to speak for anyone I am sorry that my sexuality may have been responsible for so much stupidity and persecution. I do still wonder how the hell heterosexual people ever would have believed this narrative. Why did you believe it? Straight people typically have as much trouble envisioning someone being attracted to multiple genders as bisexuals do trying to imagine how you can just not be attracted to an entire gender. In spite of this you still framed it as a choice? Why? How? I still find it hard to understand monosexuality. My gut reaction is still: “Really? Have you not seen all the hot men out there? All the hot women? How can you not want them? What is wrong with you?”

https://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/74 ... th-choice/


AND

have been out for a while to a lot of people. Many don’t know but I will tell anyone who asks. I have actually even come out here a few times but for some reason people always assume I am joking. Maybe because it was framed as a joke? It was becoming a game to put in occasional mentions of it and see if anyone caught on. A few people did and messaged me. One I think caught some of my more subtle jokes in that direction but not sure.

I got tired of the game and just kind of fell out here.

Being open is definitely a contributing factor as to why I am still single and definitely one of the main reasons I have given up on dating.

https://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/74 ... 1210115820

[Kishkumen]

Maturbation is a scam?

[Kishkumen]

I miss the Nehor and would like to publicly extend an invitation to him to rejoin his brethren here at discussmormonism.com. Come back, Nehor. You'll be amongst friends.

I know, right?

We all miss Nehor. How much fun was it to have him around?

Lots.

[Everybody Wang Chung]

Maturbation is a scam?

As scams go, I guess it's a pretty good one.

[Kishkumen]

As scams go, I guess it's a pretty good one.

A little too effective to qualify as a scam.