The core teachings/doctrines/authority remain as they did/were at the beginning of the restoration.
The Snufferites fell into this trap and/or way of thinking and found themselves outside the household of faith and willing hands of fellowship.
You can nit pick at one thing or another, but essentially the church has the key hallmarks required to retain the authority and correct doctrine to bring souls to Christ.
In our day if we follow the living prophet we will not go astray.
Sadly many have cast aside this simple injunction and have done so to the detriment of their eternal welfare. Unless they repent and come back to Christ and His church.
Regards,
MG
I don't think that hard-line McConkieish "your eternal salvation is at stake" doctrine is even taught anymore within Mormonism. It's become much more Universalist.
You can't take a hard line on it until you take a hard line against eternal progression, which Mormon leaders refuse to comment on.
Eternal progression is still doctrinal. That salvation/exaltation can be curtailed through choices we make has not gone anywhere.
You want me to take the word of the same guy that in his pre earthly sojourn, while Jehovah of the Old Testament was quite all right with slavery, rape and infanticide? And for those gospel "quotes" we have 0 contemporary sources of him having actually said anything at all?
Hard pass.
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You want me to take the word of the same guy that in his pre earthly sojourn, while Jehovah of the Old Testament was quite all right with slavery, rape and infanticide? And for whose gospel "quotes" we have 0 contemporary sources of him having actually said anything at all?
Hard pass.
Different time. Ancient world. Corrupted records/accounts/agendas/histories/biases and prejudices.
Don’t go whole hog judging Jesus on the Old Testament and those that drafted and compiled it.
I don't think that hard-line McConkieish "your eternal salvation is at stake" doctrine is even taught anymore within Mormonism. It's become much more Universalist.
You can't take a hard line on it until you take a hard line against eternal progression, which Mormon leaders refuse to comment on.
Eternal progression is still doctrinal. That salvation/exaltation can be curtailed through choices we make has not gone anywhere.
Regards,
MG
What's your source for this doctrine? That there is no eternal progression between kingdoms/levels?
I'm trying to be clear on my point. If there is eternal progression between kingdoms, then there is no real dire penalty for making it into the lower kingdoms.
You just miss out on a head start, which because eternity is eternal, doesn't really matter all that much.
You want me to take the word of the same guy that in his pre earthly sojourn, while Jehovah of the Old Testament was quite all right with slavery, rape and infanticide? And for whose gospel "quotes" we have 0 contemporary sources of him having actually said anything at all?
Hard pass.
Different time. Ancient world. Corrupted records/accounts/agendas/histories/biases and prejudices.
Don’t go whole hog judging Jesus on the Old Testament and those that drafted and compiled it.
Regards,
MG
What is Jesus' relationship with the things attributed to him in the New Testament? How would you know?
What is Jesus' relationship with the advocation of slavery, rape and infanticide in the Old Testament?
The problem YakaSteelhead identified is you're asking us to take the word of a mythical figure. We can't confirm he said anything useful at all, and all signs point to he didn't say anything useful.
“Every one of us is, in the cosmic perspective, precious. If a human disagrees with you, let him live. In a hundred billion galaxies, you will not find another.”
― Carl Sagan, Cosmos
You don't think anyone on Earth has improved their lives through reading Jesus' words? That would be an incredible feat. People's lives have been improved reading Harry Potter, for heaven's sake.
It's such a strong position to say he (or his character if he didn't really exist) didn't say a single useful thing. Why?
You don't think anyone on Earth has improved their lives through reading Jesus' words? That would be an incredible feat. People's lives have been improved reading Harry Potter, for heaven's sake.
It's such a strong position to say he didn't say a single useful thing. Why?
All signs point to we have zero words from Jesus--and if he lived he didn't have much useful to say because his words didn't carry on beyond his life. That doens't mean the character that was created and teh religion that followed wasn't influential.
“Every one of us is, in the cosmic perspective, precious. If a human disagrees with you, let him live. In a hundred billion galaxies, you will not find another.”
― Carl Sagan, Cosmos