Mormons ignoring Jesus as quoted in the gospel of Matthew

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Re: Mormons ignoring Jesus as quoted in the gospel of Matthew

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Some food for thought:
Situational ethics requires thinking. It requires complex analysis.

Absolutism does not require thinking. Dictates are adhered to without question.

Situation Ethics by Sandra B. Rosenthal (edited)
https://www.britannica.com/topic/situation-ethics

"Situation ethics, also called situational ethics, in ethics and theology: the position that moral decision making is contextual or dependent on a set of circumstances.

Situation ethics holds that moral judgments must be made within the context of the entirety of a situation and that all normative features of a situation must be viewed as a whole. The guiding framework for moral decision making is stated variously as that of acting in the most loving way, to maximize harmony and reduce discord, or to enrich human existence.

Situation ethics was developed by American Anglican theologian Joseph F. Fletcher, whose book Situation Ethics: The New Morality (1966) arose from his objections to both moral absolutism (the view that there are fixed universal moral principles that have binding authority in all circumstances) and moral relativism (the view that there are no fixed moral principles at all).

Fletcher based situation ethics on the general Christian norm of brotherly love, which is expressed in different ways in different situations. He applied this to issues of doctrine.

For example, if one holds to the absolute wrongness of abortion, then one will never allow for abortion, no matter what the circumstances within which the pregnancy occurs.

Fletcher held that such an absolute position pays no attention to the complexity and uniqueness of each situation and can result in a callous and inhumane way of dealing with the problem.


On the other hand, if there are no principles at all, then the decision is reduced to nothing more than what one decides to do in the moment, with no real moral implications involved.

Rather, Fletcher held, within the context of the complexities of the situation, one should come to the most loving or right decision as to what to do.

Fletcher’s view was influential in Christian communities both in America and Europe for decades, reaching its peak in the 1980s, after which it began to wane...

This view is opposed to the absolutist understanding of fixed rules as inherently valid and universally applicable to all situations, there being no exceptions..."
For all you moral absolutists out there.

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Re: Mormons ignoring Jesus as quoted in the gospel of Matthew

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¥akaSteelhead wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:10 pm
I am not a moral absolutist, but I am more moral than a god who condoned slavery and gave instructions to what degree you can beat you slaves without incurring a penalty.

I condemn all slavery.

So there is that.
Do we make an absolute moral judgement on everyone who had slaves?

Even though in the absolute sense it was/is wrong?

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Re: Mormons ignoring Jesus as quoted in the gospel of Matthew

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:34 pm
¥akaSteelhead wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:10 pm
I am not a moral absolutist, but I am more moral than a god who condoned slavery and gave instructions to what degree you can beat you slaves without incurring a penalty.

I condemn all slavery.

So there is that.
Do we make an absolute moral judgement on everyone who had slaves?

Even though in the absolute sense it was/is wrong?

Regards,
MG
mentalgymnast has a tell...
MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:16 pm
...Over simplification used as a cover and distraction from the fuller context of conversations. Your own little ‘shrink wrap’. Suits your purpose...
...he accuses others of using his strategies, outlines said strategies, and then, on the same day, often in the same thread, he uses them himself. :roll:
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Re: Mormons ignoring Jesus as quoted in the gospel of Matthew

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:02 pm
Morley wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:50 pm
Cue MG complaining that I've misrepresented him.

Cue Morley asking him to show me where.

Cue MG saying that I, Morley, have no nuance; that he's not going waste time showing me; that I should read between the lines in his previous posts, then return and write up what he really meant, but that I'd better not put any words in his mouth.
So if I walked in on some adult assaulting my grandson (or any child for that matter)
What about a church that allows “some adult” to “F” your grandson, retain their membership, and avoid being handed over to law enforcement? You good with that? Apparently you are.

- Doc
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Re: Mormons ignoring Jesus as quoted in the gospel of Matthew

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Marcus wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:58 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:34 pm


Do we make an absolute moral judgement on everyone who had slaves?

Even though in the absolute sense it was/is wrong?

Regards,
MG
mentalgymnast has a tell...
MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:16 pm
...Over simplification used as a cover and distraction from the fuller context of conversations. Your own little ‘shrink wrap’. Suits your purpose...
...he accuses others of using his strategies, outlines said strategies, and then, on the same day, often in the same thread, he uses them himself. :roll:
Would you like to take a stab at the two questions I asked instead of going for a derail or turning on your fog machine?

In addition to the two questions up above, would you consider yourself to be an absolutist? Do you think there’s a time and a place for situational ethics?

How do you dovetail the two?

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Re: Mormons ignoring Jesus as quoted in the gospel of Matthew

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:14 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:02 pm


So if I walked in on some adult assaulting my grandson (or any child for that matter)
What about a church that allows “some adult” to “F” your grandson, retain their membership, and avoid being handed over to law enforcement? You good with that? Apparently you are.

- Doc
Would you like to take a stab at the four questions I asked (you can access them in my previous post to Marcus) instead of going for a derail or turning on your fog machine?

Would you consider yourself to be an absolutist? Do you think there’s a time and a place for situational ethics?

How do you dovetail the two?

Regards,
MG
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Re: Mormons ignoring Jesus as quoted in the gospel of Matthew

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:34 pm
¥akaSteelhead wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:10 pm
I am not a moral absolutist, but I am more moral than a god who condoned slavery and gave instructions to what degree you can beat you slaves without incurring a penalty.

I condemn all slavery.

So there is that.
Do we make an absolute moral judgement on everyone who had slaves?

Even though in the absolute sense it was/is wrong?

Regards,
MG
MG would you volunteer to be someone's slave under the guidelines of the Old Testament?
Last edited by ¥akaSteelhead on Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:27 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: Mormons ignoring Jesus as quoted in the gospel of Matthew

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¥akaSteelhead wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:23 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:34 pm


Do we make an absolute moral judgement on everyone who had slaves?

Even though in the absolute sense it was/is wrong?

Regards,
MG
MG would you volunteer to be someone's slave under the guidelines of the Old Testament?
You didn’t answer my questions.

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MG
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Re: Mormons ignoring Jesus as quoted in the gospel of Matthew

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:18 pm
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:14 pm


What about a church that allows “some adult” to “F” your grandson, retain their membership, and avoid being handed over to law enforcement? You good with that? Apparently you are.

- Doc
Would you like to take a stab at the four questions I asked (you can access them in my previous post to Marcus) instead of going for a derail or turning on your fog machine?

Would you consider yourself to be an absolutist? Do you think there’s a time and a place for situational ethics?

How do you dovetail the two?

Regards,
MG
I think the point, MG, is that your church leaders preach against situational ethics:

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/sea ... nal+ethics

Do you think they are wrong? Perhaps need a little nuance?
Myth is misused by the powerful to subjugate the masses all too often.
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Re: Mormons ignoring Jesus as quoted in the gospel of Matthew

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:25 pm
¥akaSteelhead wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:23 pm


MG would you volunteer to be someone's slave under the guidelines of the Old Testament?
You didn’t answer my questions.

Regards,
MG
Under what situation/context would you volunteer for such?
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