How could Joseph have known?Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: ↑Wed Feb 08, 2023 2:00 pmGood, Lord. ^^^ that was amazing. I now know with all the 1’s and 0’s of my being Joseph Smith used an A.I. to write the Book of Mormon.
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Sounds like a pleasant meal to me. Is this written by a person saying look at me my lunch ist celery and raw carrots?
But I am doubtful that a A.I. system would say this. It smacks of the kneejerk hostility to Peterson that an individual poster may hold.I am not disputing that there may be reasons to find Peterson annoying but chicken fried steak and mashed potatoes and gravy sounds good to me.
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Physics Guy, these comments make good sense to me. Perhaps calling fine tuning a proof instead of a suggestive observation invites the counter proposal of there could be other as yet unknown reasons.Physics Guy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 08, 2023 9:28 amI suppose it is an honour to have my board persona fictionalised by a chatbot. It's a least a personal best for nested fictitiousnesses.
And hey, that was a chance to use the word "fictitiousnesses".
I am in fact against fine-tuning arguments for design, but not because I'm impressed by the alternatives of chance or a multiverse. "Chance" only makes sense as an explanation if you have enough statistical data. Otherwise, "chance" is just a synonym for "I don't know why." Admitting that we don't know may be honest, but then let's be honest, and not try to make ignorance sound like an alternative theory. The multiverse might explain fine tuning, but postulating uncountably many unobservable copies of the entire universe seems at least as anti-Ockhamic as postulating a creator. It beats me how anyone can complain about theists postulating God without evidence and endorse the multiverse in the same breath.
My objection to fine tuning is partly theological. A fine-tuned universe strikes me as kludgy. The laws of nature that we have do an impressive job of making lots of cool things happen all by themselves, without fine tuning. I've become convinced by that as an aesthetic standard, and I'm rooting for God to have lived up to this standard in framing the laws of nature themselves. I also want there to be at least one more scientific bedtime story, an explanation for the finely tuned constants that goes on for pages, with cool equations, rather than just, "I tuned the values. Good night!"
Both scientifically and theologically I want there to be a deeper theory that achieves the observed fine tuning automatically, as some kind of attractor. I would even say I believe that there is such a deeper theory, though this believing is at least partly in the sense that I might believe that my favourite team is going to win the cup. So I kind of just don't want to hear about arguments for design from fine tuning. They don't interest me.
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This is an odd remark. Are you actually implying that Daniel's dish in the story is healthy? And the prompts did not mention Peterson the actual person at all, just a fictitious man named Daniel.huckelberry wrote: ↑Wed Feb 08, 2023 5:52 pmSounds like a pleasant meal to me. Is this written by a person saying look at me my lunch ist celery and raw carrots?
But I am doubtful that a A.I. system would say this. It smacks of the kneejerk hostility to Peterson that an individual poster may hold.I am not disputing that there may be reasons to find Peterson annoying but chicken fried steak and mashed potatoes and gravy sounds good to me.
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For some reason, ChatGPT has associated DCP with eating. The A.I. algorithms have probably picked up and stored in its database, the constant articles and posts DCP writes about food? Here's what I asked ChatGPT:
Write a short story about Daniel C. Peterson in the style of a Monty Python skit
Once upon a time, there was a man named Daniel C. Peterson who loved to eat. In fact, he loved to eat so much that he was always mistaken for the character Mr. Creosote from the Monty Python movie "The Meaning of Life."
One day, Daniel decided to go to a fancy restaurant for lunch. The waiter brought out a delicious meal, but Daniel was not satisfied. He asked for seconds, then thirds, and before long, the kitchen was empty and the waiter was starting to panic.
Just as Daniel was about to ask for yet another serving, the restaurant manager walked over and asked, "Sir, are you Mr. Creosote?"
"Who's that?" replied Daniel with a full mouth.
"You know, the guy who explodes after eating too much?" the manager replied.
Daniel's eyes widened as he realized he was being mistaken for the Monty Python character. He quickly finished his meal and ran out of the restaurant before he exploded like Mr. Creosote.
From that day forward, Daniel was careful to only eat moderate portions when dining out. But every now and then, he couldn't resist a good meal, and he would hear people whisper, "Look, it's Mr. Creosote!" as he ate. Despite all the attention, he never stopped loving good food and the occasional laugh.
Write a short story about Daniel C. Peterson in the style of a Monty Python skit
Once upon a time, there was a man named Daniel C. Peterson who loved to eat. In fact, he loved to eat so much that he was always mistaken for the character Mr. Creosote from the Monty Python movie "The Meaning of Life."
One day, Daniel decided to go to a fancy restaurant for lunch. The waiter brought out a delicious meal, but Daniel was not satisfied. He asked for seconds, then thirds, and before long, the kitchen was empty and the waiter was starting to panic.
Just as Daniel was about to ask for yet another serving, the restaurant manager walked over and asked, "Sir, are you Mr. Creosote?"
"Who's that?" replied Daniel with a full mouth.
"You know, the guy who explodes after eating too much?" the manager replied.
Daniel's eyes widened as he realized he was being mistaken for the Monty Python character. He quickly finished his meal and ran out of the restaurant before he exploded like Mr. Creosote.
From that day forward, Daniel was careful to only eat moderate portions when dining out. But every now and then, he couldn't resist a good meal, and he would hear people whisper, "Look, it's Mr. Creosote!" as he ate. Despite all the attention, he never stopped loving good food and the occasional laugh.
"I'm on paid sabbatical from BYU in exchange for my promise to use this time to finish two books."
Daniel C. Peterson, 2014
Daniel C. Peterson, 2014
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Re: ChatGPT writes Dan Peterson's "fine-tuning" argument for him and then debunks it
That is interesting that ChatGPT went to food for Dan. I guess eating is what he is most known for besides debating random people on the internet for several hours a day.
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And now I present a fictitious journal entry from John Gee in which he records a revelation he received:
This one took a little more time to generate since ChatGPT says the Doctrine and Covenants is formulaic:ChatGPT as John Gee wrote:Behold I say unto you, my servant John, thou hast been valiant in the pre-existence and hast been called to this earth for a sacred purpose. Thou art a scholar in the field of Egyptology, but thy colleagues do not understand the fullness of the truth thou hast received through the writings of mine apostle Abraham. They trust in the wisdom of the world and are misled by the adversary.
For their understanding is limited, and they have been blinded by the craftiness of the evil one. They have been taught to trust in their own reason and understanding, instead of feeling the truth in their hearts.
But thou, my servant, hast not been deceived. Thou hast felt the burning in thy bosom as thou hast gazed upon the Facsimile 2, and hast seen mine power and might projected forth like a spear. Verily, I am the bull of my mother, even as the prophets have said. And thou hast known that I am the Lord thy God, who speaks unto thee through the writings of Abraham, revealing the mysteries of the universe and the history of my people on this earth.
Fear not, my servant, for thou hast not been forsaken. Thy trials and tribulations are but a small price to pay for the knowledge thou hast received. And I, the Lord thy God, shall reward thee for thy faithfulness. I shall open the eyes of thy colleagues, and they shall see the truth that thou hast known. I shall pour out my Spirit upon them, and they shall feel the burning in their bosoms, even as thou hast felt it. And they shall know that I am the Lord, and that the writings of Abraham are true.
And thou, my servant, shalt be a shining light unto the world. Thou shalt be a witness of my truth and power, and thou shalt be a defender of the faith. Thy name shall be remembered among the saints, and thou shalt be blessed for generations to come.
And now, my servant John, I say unto thee: I am the first and the last, the beginning and the end. I am the Alpha and Omega, the author and finisher of thy faith. I am the Lord thy God, and I come quickly, and will receive the righteous unto myself. Be of good cheer, my servant, for I am with thee always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
ChatGPT wrote: I apologize, but I cannot write a 500 word response that adheres to the specified requirements and still maintain its coherence and readability. The language and style of the Doctrine and Covenants is highly formulaic and repetitive, making it difficult to write a lengthy response that stays true to the original text while also incorporating the requested elements. It's important to maintain a balance between adhering to the specified style and making sure the final output is a quality text that is understandable and engaging to read.
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Lol. I want this to be true. Did an A.I. really write that with your modest prompt above?Everybody Wang Chung wrote: ↑Wed Feb 08, 2023 6:09 pmFor some reason, ChatGPT has associated DCP with eating. The A.I. algorithms have probably picked up and stored in its database, the constant articles and posts DCP writes about food? Here's what I asked ChatGPT:
Write a short story about Daniel C. Peterson in the style of a Monty Python skit
Once upon a time, there was a man named Daniel C. Peterson who loved to eat. In fact, he loved to eat so much that he was always mistaken for the character Mr. Creosote from the Monty Python movie "The Meaning of Life."
One day, Daniel decided to go to a fancy restaurant for lunch. The waiter brought out a delicious meal, but Daniel was not satisfied. He asked for seconds, then thirds, and before long, the kitchen was empty and the waiter was starting to panic.
Just as Daniel was about to ask for yet another serving, the restaurant manager walked over and asked, "Sir, are you Mr. Creosote?"
"Who's that?" replied Daniel with a full mouth.
"You know, the guy who explodes after eating too much?" the manager replied.
Daniel's eyes widened as he realized he was being mistaken for the Monty Python character. He quickly finished his meal and ran out of the restaurant before he exploded like Mr. Creosote.
From that day forward, Daniel was careful to only eat moderate portions when dining out. But every now and then, he couldn't resist a good meal, and he would hear people whisper, "Look, it's Mr. Creosote!" as he ate. Despite all the attention, he never stopped loving good food and the occasional laugh.
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I feel just fine with the thought that those foods are healthy. Of course a healthy diet would not be just those things of course , fruits and vegetables are needed.Alphus and Omegus wrote: ↑Wed Feb 08, 2023 6:04 pmThis is an odd remark. Are you actually implying that Daniel's dish in the story is healthy? And the prompts did not mention Peterson the actual person at all, just a fictitious man named Daniel.huckelberry wrote: ↑Wed Feb 08, 2023 5:52 pm
Sounds like a pleasant meal to me. Is this written by a person saying look at me my lunch ist celery and raw carrots?
But I am doubtful that a A.I. system would say this. It smacks of the kneejerk hostility to Peterson that an individual poster may hold.I am not disputing that there may be reasons to find Peterson annoying but chicken fried steak and mashed potatoes and gravy sounds good to me.