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Refreshing superbowl ad for Jesus

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5x1RyJOwP8

I'm surprisingly with DCP on this one. I don't see why it's apparently getting so much hate (that DCP says it's getting, I haven't been following it.)

Even if you're not a worshiper of Jesus, you can understand the strength behind a message like "love your enemies." Especially in America right now when many of us, very wrongly, consider our fellow citizens enemies.

I'm sure the LDS church is feeling a little bit of Holy Envy for not running something similar with an LDS logo at the end.
DP wrote:If you watched the Super Bowl on Sunday — and there’s really no need to raise your hand or to identify yourself; you know who you are — you very likely saw one or two of the Christian ads that ran during the game from the “He gets us” campaign. The potential audience for the ads was, I’m told, more than one hundred million people.

Important as it is, and as worthy of discussion as it is, I’m not interested here in the appropriateness or inappropriateness of spending twenty million dollars for those ninety seconds of total ad time, nor in whether spending a projected billion dollars on the overall three-year ad campaign is a proper use of funds that might otherwise have been used for the relief of poverty or, right now, to help the victims of the recent terrible earthquake in Türkiye.

I understand. Such dilemmas are always going to be with us, pending the Second Coming. In a world where many are starving and in which children are trafficked as sex slaves, can money justifiably go to such an ad campaign? Or, as critics of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints sometimes like to demand, wouldn’t funds for proselytizing missionaries or for temples be better spent on the poor? Wouldn’t money paid for public art be better employed in more soup kitchens? In such a world, should any money at all go to the local ballet company or art museum? Should people spend time on degrees in eighteenth-century British poetry while others can’t make ends meet? Until hunger is eradicated, can you really justify your new sofa or your upgraded cellphone or your more powerful new computer or your meal out at a nice restaurant? How much is enough? How much is too much? Where should the line be drawn?

Six days before the Passover, Jesus came to Bethany, the village of Lazarus whom he had raised from the dead. They gave a supper for him there, and Martha waited on the party while Lazarus took his place at table with Jesus. Then Mary took a whole pound of very expensive perfume and anointed Jesus’ feet and then wiped them with her hair. The entire house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume. But one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot (the man who was going to betray Jesus), burst out, “Why on earth wasn’t this perfume sold? It’s worth thirty pounds, which could have been given to the poor!” (John 12:1-5, J. B. Phillips translation)

This is, actually, an extraordinarily difficult question. It’s one that merits continual reflection. But I bracket it right now. I have another question in mind, a far easier one.

The “He gets us” ad campaign has drawn a great deal of attention, much of it negative. My favorite comment, among those that I’ve seen thus far, comes from the always-entertaining Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. This is what she said. This is what Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said:

“Something tells me Jesus would *not* spend millions of dollars on Super Bowl ads to make fascism look benign.”

I have now, I think, watched all of the ads in the “He gets us” campaign. If I had known nothing of those sponsoring them but had been obliged to guess, I would have pegged them as coming from a politically “progressive” group of Christians. Their messages emphasize inclusion and caring and peace, which, if anything, tend to be favorite themes (if not always favored practices) of the cultural/political Left. and which are (allegedly) alien to the cultural/political Right. The ads dwell, affirmatively, on refugees and teenage mothers and the like.

I cannot, for the life of me, see anything “fascist” about them. And neither, I was pleased to see just this morning, can the British-born conservative political commentator Charles C. W. Cooke (who has, by the way, repeatedly identified himself as an atheist or agnostic): “Apparently ‘Love Your Enemies’ Is Now ‘Fascism’.”

Now, it’s evidently true, as some news outlets have informed us, that there are people among the ad campaign’s backers who have opposed abortion and same-sex marriage. There are people among its backers who are affiliated with theologically and socially conservative churches. As an article in the Deseret News observes, “Religious leaders, LGBTQ rights activists and even some politicians have questioned the motives of the “He Gets Us” movement in recent weeks.”

But I don’t quite see why the identity or the presumed motives of some of the ad campaign’s backers are relevant. After all, so far as I can tell, none of the ads says anything at all about gay marriage or homosexuality. None of them mentions abortion. None of them refers to any specific sect or denomination of Christianity. The people behind the campaign expressly set out their “agenda” here, And it’s not only non-political, it’s anti-political. I encourage you to read it. I’m happy, in fact — although nobody has bidden me to do so — to endorse it.

If a devoted follower of Bernie Sanders makes a donation to the local dog pound, does that make the dog pound “democratic socialist”? If somebody who endorsed Rick DeSantis for the governorship of Florida donates to a symphony orchestra, is he thereby attempting to spread his version of Republican politics via Mahler’s Symphony No. 2 (“Resurrection”)? It makes no difference, so far as I can see, whether the backers of the “He gets us” campaign are Protestant or Catholic, Greek Orthodox or Quaker, liberal or socialist or conservative or libertarian. There isn’t the slightest specific whiff of any of those religious traditions or political movements in the ads. Neither is there any specific theology, nor any controversial assertions about atonement or resurrection or virgin birth. Instead, their message is an invitation to the most basic, simple Christianity, with an emphasis on Christ-like behavior and on discipled attitudes toward those around us.

I actually find the ads rather moving, and I encourage you to take a look at them. At least at some of them. They are available here: https://hegetsus.com/en A Spanish version is also available, here.
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... -face.html
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I don't mind these messages, even being a non-believer. We need peace and need to come together more. I agree that the Fund is probably envious, however, the Fund isn't the ambassador for Jesus in America like it wants to be. There is a ways to go still. There is that recent poll that puts the Fund as one of the most hated religions and so if it did the ads, it would turn into are Mormons aren't Christians or something else negative.
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drumdude wrote:
Tue Feb 14, 2023 11:30 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5x1RyJOwP8


I'm surprisingly with DCP on this one. I don't see why it's apparently getting so much hate (that DCP says it's getting, I haven't been following it.)

Even if you're not a worshiper of Jesus, you can understand the strength behind a message like "love your enemies." Especially in America right now when many of us, very wrongly, consider our fellow citizens enemies.

I'm sure the LDS church is feeling a little bit of Holy Envy for not running something similar with an LDS logo at the end.
DP wrote:If you watched the Super Bowl on Sunday — and there’s really no need to raise your hand or to identify yourself; you know who you are — you very likely saw one or two of the Christian ads that ran during the game from the “He gets us” campaign. The potential audience for the ads was, I’m told, more than one hundred million people.

Important as it is, and as worthy of discussion as it is, I’m not interested here in the appropriateness or inappropriateness of spending twenty million dollars for those ninety seconds of total ad time, nor in whether spending a projected billion dollars on the overall three-year ad campaign is a proper use of funds that might otherwise have been used for the relief of poverty or, right now, to help the victims of the recent terrible earthquake in Türkiye.

I understand. Such dilemmas are always going to be with us, pending the Second Coming. In a world where many are starving and in which children are trafficked as sex slaves, can money justifiably go to such an ad campaign? Or, as critics of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints sometimes like to demand, wouldn’t funds for proselytizing missionaries or for temples be better spent on the poor? Wouldn’t money paid for public art be better employed in more soup kitchens? In such a world, should any money at all go to the local ballet company or art museum? Should people spend time on degrees in eighteenth-century British poetry while others can’t make ends meet? Until hunger is eradicated, can you really justify your new sofa or your upgraded cellphone or your more powerful new computer or your meal out at a nice restaurant? How much is enough? How much is too much? Where should the line be drawn?

Six days before the Passover, Jesus came to Bethany, the village of Lazarus whom he had raised from the dead. They gave a supper for him there, and Martha waited on the party while Lazarus took his place at table with Jesus. Then Mary took a whole pound of very expensive perfume and anointed Jesus’ feet and then wiped them with her hair. The entire house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume. But one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot (the man who was going to betray Jesus), burst out, “Why on earth wasn’t this perfume sold? It’s worth thirty pounds, which could have been given to the poor!” (John 12:1-5, J. B. Phillips translation)

This is, actually, an extraordinarily difficult question. It’s one that merits continual reflection. But I bracket it right now. I have another question in mind, a far easier one.

The “He gets us” ad campaign has drawn a great deal of attention, much of it negative. My favorite comment, among those that I’ve seen thus far, comes from the always-entertaining Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. This is what she said. This is what Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said:

“Something tells me Jesus would *not* spend millions of dollars on Super Bowl ads to make fascism look benign.”

I have now, I think, watched all of the ads in the “He gets us” campaign. If I had known nothing of those sponsoring them but had been obliged to guess, I would have pegged them as coming from a politically “progressive” group of Christians. Their messages emphasize inclusion and caring and peace, which, if anything, tend to be favorite themes (if not always favored practices) of the cultural/political Left. and which are (allegedly) alien to the cultural/political Right. The ads dwell, affirmatively, on refugees and teenage mothers and the like.

I cannot, for the life of me, see anything “fascist” about them. And neither, I was pleased to see just this morning, can the British-born conservative political commentator Charles C. W. Cooke (who has, by the way, repeatedly identified himself as an atheist or agnostic): “Apparently ‘Love Your Enemies’ Is Now ‘Fascism’.”

Now, it’s evidently true, as some news outlets have informed us, that there are people among the ad campaign’s backers who have opposed abortion and same-sex marriage. There are people among its backers who are affiliated with theologically and socially conservative churches. As an article in the Deseret News observes, “Religious leaders, LGBTQ rights activists and even some politicians have questioned the motives of the “He Gets Us” movement in recent weeks.”

But I don’t quite see why the identity or the presumed motives of some of the ad campaign’s backers are relevant. After all, so far as I can tell, none of the ads says anything at all about gay marriage or homosexuality. None of them mentions abortion. None of them refers to any specific sect or denomination of Christianity. The people behind the campaign expressly set out their “agenda” here, And it’s not only non-political, it’s anti-political. I encourage you to read it. I’m happy, in fact — although nobody has bidden me to do so — to endorse it.

If a devoted follower of Bernie Sanders makes a donation to the local dog pound, does that make the dog pound “democratic socialist”? If somebody who endorsed Rick DeSantis for the governorship of Florida donates to a symphony orchestra, is he thereby attempting to spread his version of Republican politics via Mahler’s Symphony No. 2 (“Resurrection”)? It makes no difference, so far as I can see, whether the backers of the “He gets us” campaign are Protestant or Catholic, Greek Orthodox or Quaker, liberal or socialist or conservative or libertarian. There isn’t the slightest specific whiff of any of those religious traditions or political movements in the ads. Neither is there any specific theology, nor any controversial assertions about atonement or resurrection or virgin birth. Instead, their message is an invitation to the most basic, simple Christianity, with an emphasis on Christ-like behavior and on discipled attitudes toward those around us.

I actually find the ads rather moving, and I encourage you to take a look at them. At least at some of them. They are available here: https://hegetsus.com/en A Spanish version is also available, here.
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... -face.html
I expect that Charles C. W. Cooke has, intentionally or otherwise, misunderstood Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. I don't think that she was saying, as he claims, that ‘Love Your Enemies’ Is Now ‘Fascism’. More likely she was pointing out the hypocrisy of what she may see as a Christo-fascist organization broadcasting a message that is at odds with their actions/politics/policies.
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I imagine Dr. Peterson has found the policies and behaviors of Hobby Lobby to be in sync with the LDS Church.
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I’m intrigued by the fact that two of Dr. Peterson’s links (see below) go to a YouTube video titled “Aaron Copland Lincoln Portrait.”
My favorite comment, among those that I’ve seen thus far, comes from the always-entertaining Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. This is what she said. This is what Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... -face.html

Is he drawing a previously-unnoticed connection between Copland’s orchestral work and the U.S. Representative’s tweet? I hope he will explain.
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Tom wrote:
Wed Feb 15, 2023 4:49 am
I’m intrigued by the fact that two of Dr. Peterson’s links (see below) go to a YouTube video titled “Aaron Copland Lincoln Portrait:
My favorite comment, among those that I’ve seen thus far, comes from the always-entertaining Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. This is what she said. This is what Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... -face.html

Is he drawing a previously-unnoticed connection between Copland’s orchestral work and the U.S. Representative’s tweet? I hope he will explain.
Oops! At least he didn’t accidentally post a link to this again:

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I got a chuckle about the news that there were a couple of commercials for Jesus. I watched the one Drumdude linked and find it a little funny (i took a second to search for the other one and found a whole bunch of other stuff but didn't see it, but I'd imagine it's more of the same). Jesus sent mixed messages. Hating people was a highlight of part of his messaging and another part was one of love. he certainly didn't corner the market on loving people. Indeed he taught to hate your mom and dad, bro and sis, and every one else at one point. And as a result many followers of Jesus up until today have followed his advice and have hated others. That's not to say they also haven't followed his mixed messaging and found spots in their hearts to love others. But of course, Jesus didin't come to bring peace amongst us. Or did he? Who knows? The guy, actually the made up character, was a big ol' pile of mixed messaging, causing all sorts of problems.

To be clear I don't mind the commecials nor that some christian group paid for them. I just find them a bit silly.
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One of the key funders behind this campaign is the anti-abortionist, David Green of Hobby Lobby.
Funding
The advertisements are funded by The Servant Christian Foundation, a non-profit which is itself financed by donor-advised fund The Signatry; most of the individual donors who provided the money have chosen to remain anonymous.[2] One of the campaign's backers is David Green, the founder of Hobby Lobby.[1][3] $100 million was spent on the campaign initially.[6] Vanderground stated the organization intends to spend a billion dollars on the campaign within the next three years.[1][3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/He_Gets_Us

He doesn't have a great track record...
Green funded the Museum of the Bible in Washington, D.C. at the cost of $500 million.[12] In 2017, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement announced that they had returned 3,800 ancient artifacts found in the Hobby Lobby warehouse to the Republic of Iraq. In 2020, an additional 11,500 artifacts were returned to Egypt and Iraq.[13] Also a large number of papyrus fragments purported to be part of the Dead Sea Scrolls were revealed to be forgeries.[14]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Gre ... repreneur)

Was the Jesus of the Bible an antiquities thief?

He's also one of the billionaires who took tax payers money during the pandemic...
In July 2020, Forbes magazine reported the museum had received between $2 million and $5 million from the Paycheck Protection Program to retain 249 jobs (a calculated annual average salary between $38,000 and $97,000). In a statement to the magazine, a museum spokesperson said that the “Museum of the Bible applied for and received a PPP loan to pay our employees while the museum had to stay closed, taking in no other revenue."
David Green

Net worth: $7.9 billion

PPP loan recipients: Museum of the Bible (nonprofit)

Jobs retained: 249

The Museum of the Bible, largely funded by Hobby Lobby founder David Green and his family, took a PPP loan of $2 million to $5 million. The museum, which shut down on March 20 due to Covid-19, reopened on June 22. The devout Christian family derives its fortune from its ownership of the arts-and-crafts chain. Green’s son Steve chairs the board of the Washington, D.C.-based museum. “Museum of the Bible applied for and received a PPP loan to pay our employees while the museum had to stay closed, taking in no other revenue. We are especially happy that this sustained our hourly employees, mostly D.C. residents, at a particularly difficult time for all," the museum told Forbes in a statement.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/denizcam/2 ... 4a19454f0d

And
The foundation behind a $20 million Super Bowl advertising campaign to promote “the Jesus of radical forgiveness, compassion, and love” has also bankrolled a conservative nonprofit leading efforts to roll back abortion rights and allow businesses to discriminate against LGBTQ+ customers.
https://jacobin.com/2023/02/christian-s ... gay-rights
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I would applaud calls for unity even from Donald Trump.
But, of course, one has to question the actual intent behind said calls.
When hate groups are trying to use Jesus as a front, well there is a problem. If Jesus owned a copyright on his name I suspect he would not allow this group to use it.
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One of the other people behind the adverts is Mega Church Pastor Craig Groeschel (the first reading plan I pursued was being provided by his Life.Church). Here's Craigs advice on dating...
During his sermon Sunday, megachurch Pastor Craig Groeschel of the multi-campus Life.Church shared five "red flags" Christians should watch out for when dating.

The first red flag, the pastor said, is when the person a Christian is dating is not consistently pursuing Jesus.

Groeschel clarified that this doesn't mean they need to be "perfect," but that they are "on a journey to get to know Jesus and be conformed to His image."

"A lot of people here are kind of cultural Christians. And just because someone tells you, 'I guess I'm a Christian, and I go to church on Christmas and Easter,' doesn't mean that they're a committed follower of Jesus," he warned.
https://www.christianpost.com/news/crai ... erson.html
"If you meet someone, and you're getting to know them, and you spend some time in intimate conversation with them if you don't hear about Jesus, or you don't hear about their faith, or you don't hear about God, or you don't hear about their involvement in the Church, or you don't hear about their ministry within the first hour of talking to them, I would suggest to you that is actually a red flag," Groeschel said.
Craig has a degree in Marketing, it feels like the He Gets Us campaign is a clever front for the same old anti abortion, anti LGBQT+, give us your money, brigade.

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Craig Groeschel Net Worth and Salary

Craig Groeschel is a wealthy individual who owns a net worth of $5 million as of 2021. Despite losing a $200k worth position in Gulfport Energy’s board, Craig is financially secured. The reason for Craig’s fortune is his blandish church. Craig profits significantly, with over 85,000 people attending Life.Church every week.
https://famous-christians.com/craig-groeschel/

Here's a challenge, try and get a straight answer from "He Gets Us" about what Jesus's position was/is on abortion and homosexuality...please don't give this group your money. They don't need it. Jesus doesn't need it. You do.
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