I think it’s just my tunnel vision and need for better outlets. I keep hoping that if I can intellectually understand Mormonism- I can become more at peace with its complex (often harmful) role in my life and my relationship to it.
I wish you the best in your quest to understand Mormonism better. There are a lot of good resources, and I think that over time many people have found good stuff in our discussions here. And we have a lot of interesting exchanges to be sure.
You probably know about all of the excellent books, journals, podcasts, etc., that help.
"He disturbs the laws of his country, he forces himself upon women, and he puts men to death without trial.” ~Otanes on the monarch, Herodotus Histories 3.80.
This is John...
- Rosebud’s false claims of harassment have been investigated on three separate occasions. All three times no harassment was found, and Rosebud was determined to be the aggressor....
I welcome credible evidence that refutes this account,
you made the assertion, you provide the proof.
and reserve the right to respond to the evidence once provided.
- Rosebud’s false claims of harassment have been investigated on three separate occasions. All three times no harassment was found, and Rosebud was determined to be the aggressor. Twice Rosebud withdrew her claims before they could be ruled upon.
I welcome credible evidence that refutes this account, and reserve the right to respond to the evidence once provided. If I’m mistaken I will own it.
My count is 0 out of 19 credible harassment allegations.
Wow. All I am getting, repeatedly, from MS's posts is that he is still shocked that there were consequences to his bad behavior that he couldn't avoid because he couldn't exert control over another person.
2) Rosebud made multiple personal promises to me from the very start and throughout to “go away” if our relationship ever got to the point where it was hurting me or the Open Stories Foundation. This was a personal agreement we had made, which she agreed to prior to joining the board or coming on as an employee. I was only asking her to keep her promise. Frankly, I was stunned when she refused. I honestly thought I could trust her. But that was a personal plea.
My man. You just copped to a quid pro quo arrangement. You need to post some documentation that exonerates you contextually. Not a good look.
I wish you the best in your quest to understand Mormonism better. There are a lot of good resources, and I think that over time many people have found good stuff in our discussions here. And we have a lot of interesting exchanges to be sure.
You probably know about all of the excellent books, journals, podcasts, etc., that help.
Thank you. I know many but certainly not all. The site has indeed helped me find a few. It also helped me understand better the history and main characters in Mo’ apologetics.
Much like Kishkumen has suggested this letter doesn’t specify much and comes off as useless. there’s no clear allegation of abuse there. So who knows what these ladies are thinking when they sign their name to this. Maybe just a general note to all women to avoid relations with Dehlin. I don’t think that’d require any of the ladies know him personally.
I think I remember DocCam’s response previously. I doubt we’ll see any attempt to address it. And if the situation has been investigated 3 separate times he should be clear to answer it. I thought any investigation was internal, but you know, whatever. Even though I feel like this whole story sank too deep for my memory to dig up details I’d be curious what was investigated and by whom? I’d think the quid pro quo arrangement is fairly clear. And, as we’ve all witnessed it’s pretty clear that although rosebud wasn’t innocent, John clearly pursued the relationship at various times. I don’t understand how an investigation given a few of the pieces of data would conclude she was the soul aggressor. That’d Pretty clearly indicate the investigations were incomplete, or weren’t very honestly conducted.
I really do have a ton of discomfort for this topic, but I can’t deny the facts as we’ve seen them.
“Every one of us is, in the cosmic perspective, precious. If a human disagrees with you, let him live. In a hundred billion galaxies, you will not find another.”
― Carl Sagan, Cosmos
2) Rosebud made multiple personal promises to me from the very start and throughout to “go away” if our relationship ever got to the point where it was hurting me or the Open Stories Foundation. This was a personal agreement we had made, which she agreed to prior to joining the board or coming on as an employee. I was only asking her to keep her promise. Frankly, I was stunned when she refused. I honestly thought I could trust her. But that was a personal plea.
My man. You just copped to a quid pro quo arrangement. You need to post some documentation that exonerates you contextually. Not a good look.
mormonstories wrote: ↑
2) Rosebud made multiple personal promises to me from the very start and throughout to “go away” if our relationship ever got to the point where it was hurting me or the Open Stories Foundation. This was a personal agreement we had made, which she agreed to prior to joining the board or coming on as an employee.
Entering a relationship with an agreement where the woman is to “go away” from her job at your discretion is pretty appalling. I’m pretty disgusted, To be honest, that you’d expect a woman to follow through on that agreement. I mean I can’t imagine how you’d agree to sexual harassment at this point, but I also don’t see how anyone can see it otherwise.
For you, luckily it’s far behind you. And it’s not making much noise. I wish you well. Hopefully these ladies are all wrong in discouraging other women to work with you.
“Every one of us is, in the cosmic perspective, precious. If a human disagrees with you, let him live. In a hundred billion galaxies, you will not find another.”
― Carl Sagan, Cosmos
And your contribution to a discussion about Mormonism is what, exactly?
Seriously, these pointless personal vendetta threads do not belong in this main forum. They also violate multiple board rules, specifically UR 7 and UR 9.
Do you feel the same about the 100s of D Peterson threads found in the main forum?
