The Expose on LDS Apologists & The Invention And Coverup Of Richard Nygren

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Re: The Expose on LDS Apologists & The Invention And Coverup Of Richard Nygren

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I am about 2/3 of the way through the Mormonism Live episode about the Nygren thing. I think I am on the same page I have always been on. These Mopologists screwed up yet again, and I doubt they will learn anything from it. This is the same kind of tone deafness that has been a hallmark of Mopologetic culture since the early '90s. Pynakker is totally right in calling this tone deaf.

On the other hand, I disagree with Bill Reel when he tries to force the false dilemma, and I paraphrase, of "either he is protecting Parker or he is drawing out racists, but he can't have it both ways." Honestly, I don't see why not. The problem is not him having it both ways. The problem is that he thought drawing out or trolling racists by doing something that is substantively racist is acceptable in any way.

These Mopes seem to think that a person's good intentions should serve as a get out of jail free card. But they really don't. Yes, the tiny fanclub that Mopologists cater to may not have a problem with the constant trickle of tone deaf gestures they make, but they will always be a marginal and noisome oddity because they don't get that the tone-deaf gaffes and boners actually are off-putting. Yes, I find it annoying that people confidently conclude that Boylan is a racist because he did this. At the same time, there is no doubt that he exhibited very bad judgment and deserves to pay for it as long as he remains unrepentant.

Boylan and Parker should learn a lesson from Hanna Seariac. Remember when she got a little too cozy with the whole DezNat phenomenon? The DezNazis all loved her, followed her on Twitter, and she had that Brigham-loving blog? Suddenly she shut all that down and is now writing for the Deseret News. Hannah is smart. Boylan, Smoot, et al. are definitely high IQ dudes, but they lack common sense. Pynakker and Reel were so right when they asked the rhetorical question: "Can you imagine us even contemplating making up an imaginary Black apologist persona to hide behind?

No! And the bizarre thing is to listen to Boylan calmly go through his rationale for making up Nygren as though it made the whole thing OK. I mean, it is kind of like he said the following to a safety officer at an elementary school:
Officer, I was hanging out by a playground in a nondescript van with shaded windows, my baseball cap pulled down, and sunglasses on because I was smoking out pedophiles to protect the children!
That *may* be totally true, but why didn't you see the mess you were getting yourself into before you got in the van that morning?
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The video hasn't even been up for 24 hours and already has close to 5,000 views on YouTube.

I'm just glad this was documented for all to see. The more people who know about the Mopologists' racism/homophobia/hate/lies/plagiarism, the better.
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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:10 pm
The video hasn't even been up for 24 hours and already has close to 5,000 views on YouTube.

I'm just glad this was documented for all to see. The more people who know about the Mopologists' racism/homophobia/hate/lies/plagiarism, the better.
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It cracked me up that Reel couldn't think of a word, at first, to describe the Interpreter.
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Marcus wrote:
Sat Apr 15, 2023 7:49 pm
It cracked me up that Reel couldn't think of a word, at first, to describe the Interpreter.
Couldn't think of a word, or couldn't think of a polite, non-pejorative, word? :lol:
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malkie wrote:
Sat Apr 15, 2023 7:53 pm
Marcus wrote:
Sat Apr 15, 2023 7:49 pm
It cracked me up that Reel couldn't think of a word, at first, to describe the Interpreter.
Couldn't think of a word, or couldn't think of a polite, non-pejorative, word? :lol:
Exactly. :D
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Marcus wrote:
Sat Apr 15, 2023 8:16 pm
malkie wrote:
Sat Apr 15, 2023 7:53 pm

Couldn't think of a word, or couldn't think of a polite, non-pejorative, word? :lol:
Exactly. :D
Rag is a suitable noun, if anyone ever bothered to print it.
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drumdude wrote:
Sat Apr 15, 2023 9:38 pm
Marcus wrote:
Sat Apr 15, 2023 8:16 pm

Exactly. :D
Rag is a suitable noun, if anyone ever bothered to print it.
He did point out later that Kraus, to paraphrase, 'thinks the Interpreter is an academic journal, not that anyone else does...'

Another great moment.
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I hinted at something earlier - or perhaps on the other thread - about Robert Boylan: that I had thought, until very recently, that he was not well known as an LDS apologist, at least in critical circles. Nobody said yea or nay, so I'm going to ask:

Can someone please tell me how well known he was before a few weeks ago, and what kind of reputation he had.

I'm just curious if I somehow completely missed him, while everyone else knew all about him.
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malkie wrote:
Sat Apr 15, 2023 10:53 pm
I hinted at something earlier - or perhaps on the other thread - about Robert Boylan: that I had thought, until very recently, that he was not well known as an LDS apologist, at least in critical circles. Nobody said yea or nay, so I'm going to ask:

Can someone please tell me how well known he was before a few weeks ago, and what kind of reputation he had.

I'm just curious if I somehow completely missed him, while everyone else knew all about him.

I did not know about Mike Parker or Robert Boylan. These guys were only known to people who are very deep into Mormon apologetics. Former FAIR members and the like.
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