Will Six Days in August even mention the transfiguration of Brigham?

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Will Six Days in August even mention the transfiguration of Brigham?

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DCP wrote:As I’ve been telling you to the point of (your) boredom, the Interpreter Foundation is now moving forward with a film project — presumably, as with our “Witnesses” effort, divided into theatrical movie, docudrama, and short features, though things always evolve and change along the way (as, in fact, the “Witnesses” project did) — that we’re terming “Six Days in August.” It will focus on the succession crisis following the murder of Joseph and Hyrum, on the confrontation between Sidney Rigdon and the Twelve, and on the preparation of the Twelve to assume leadership of the Church. Important materials in support of our approach include (but are far from exhausted by) the following, which are cited from Richard Neitzel Holzapfel, “The Prophet’s Final Charge to the Twelve, 1844” (https://rsc.BYU.edu/joseph-smith-prophe ... welve-1844):

At an important meeting that occurred in the spring of 1844, Joseph addressed the Twelve and gave them their “last charge.” Years later, he commented on that event:

I, Wilford Woodruff, being the last man living in the flesh who was present upon that occasion feel it a duty I owe to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, to the House of Israel, and to the whole world to bear this my last testimony to all nations, that in the winter of 1843–4, Joseph Smith, the Prophet of God, called the Twelve Apostles together in the City of Nauvoo, and spent many days with us in giving us our endowments, and teaching us those glorious principles which God had revealed to him. And upon one occasion he stood upon his feet in our midst for nearly three hours declaring unto us the great and last dispensation which God had set His hand to perform upon the earth in these last days. The room was filled as if with consuming fire; the Prophet was clothed upon with much of the power of God, and his face shone and was transparently clear, and he closed that speech, never-to-be-forgotten in time or in eternity, with the following language:

“Brethren, I have had great sorrow of heart for fear that I might be taken from the earth with the keys of the Kingdom of God upon me, without sealing them upon the heads of other men. God has sealed upon my head all the keys of the Kingdom of God necessary for organizing and building up of the Church, Zion, and Kingdom of God upon the earth, and to prepare the Saints for the coming of the Son of Man. Now, brethren, I thank God I have lived to see the day that I have been enabled to give you your endowments, and I have now sealed upon your heads all the powers of the Aaronic and Melchizedek Priesthoods and Apostleship, with all the keys and powers thereof, which God has sealed upon me; and I now roll off all the labor, burden and care of this Church and Kingdom of God upon your shoulders, and I now command you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ to round up your shoulders, and bear off this Church and Kingdom of God before heaven and earth, and before God, angels and men; and if you don’t do it you will be damned.”

And the same spirit that filled the room at that time burns in my bosom while I record this testimony, and the Prophet of God appointed no one else but the Twelve Apostles to stand at the head of the Church and direct its affairs. (James R. Clark, comp., Messages of the First Presidency of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1966), 3:134; see Richard Neitzel Holzapfel and Steven C. Harper, “‘This Is My Testimony, Spoken by Myself into a Talking Machine,’” BYU Studies 45, no. 2 (Spring 2006): 112–16.). [514-515 and 523 note 58]

To which Dr. Holzapfel adds this further item in support:

There is another important source about this monumental gathering which may be the earliest written document describing the meeting. Although it is unknown exactly when it was composed, it could have been written as early as September 1844. Speaking of the meeting, the Twelve recalled, “Joseph Smith seemed somewhat depressed in Spirit, and took the liberty to open his heart to us concerning his presentiments of the future.” The document then records what the Prophet said on that occasion. Joseph told the Twelve, “The Lord bids me hasten the work in which we are engaged.” The Prophet did not want the “keys and powers” to “be lost from the earth” so he placed them on the heads of the Twelve: “Upon the shoulders of the Twelve must the responsibility of leading this church henceforth rest until you shall appoint others to succeed you. Your enemies cannot kill you all at once and should any of you be killed you can lay your hands upon others and fill up the quorum. Thus can this power and these keys be perpetuated in the earth.” (Draft Declaration of the Twelve Apostles, ca. September 1844, reporting March 1844 meeting of Twelve, in Brigham Young Papers, Church History Library, Salt Lake City.) (516 and 523 note 59)

Were Brigham Young and the other members the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles the legitimate and authorized successors to Joseph Smith in Church leadership? Other claimants to that leadership have, of course, denied that they were. And lately I’ve heard even some members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints deny that the Twelve legitimately succeeded Joseph. I will confess that this has shocked me and left me somewhat dismayed. It should surprise nobody that, via its “Six Days in August” project, the Interpreter Foundation will come down forthrightly and unambiguously on the side of the Quorum of the Twelve as the proper and legitimate heirs to the Prophet Joseph Smith.
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It seems the proprietor may ignore that little fable (which almost certainly did NOT happen) which Mormons have been told for generations was the miraculous sign of God's endorsement of the passing of leadership between Joe and Young.
LDS Discussions wrote:The miraculous story of the transfiguration of Brigham Young suffers from the same problems that Joseph Smith's First Vision, priesthood restoration, 1831 polygamy revelation, and so many others do: Nothing was written down about it happening this way at the time. With regards to Brigham Young, this is even more problematic because we do have many letters and journals from the day the meeting took place along with newspapers and church records from leaders. Not a single mention of this miraculous event surfaces until at least 7 years later, when allusions began to spring up in journals such as Emily Hoyt's diary.
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Re: Will Six Days in August even mention the transfiguration of Brigham?

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Why would a current documentary want to mention an embarrassing example of past faith-promoting chicanery? The movie is meant as apologetics, not history.
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It would be one thing if Smith had provided one, clear, and easily defensible plan for succession. Fortunately or unfortunately, depending on one's point of view, he did not. I am of the opinion that he deliberately lined up various possibilities as contingencies in case some of them failed. The historical support for the view that the Twelve were his plan for succession is problematic to say the least. That said, I see nothing wrong with the idea that the Twelve succeeded at carrying the torch and building a viable church on the foundation Joseph Smith laid. I am a Pan-Restorationist. I see the authority to continue in the Restoration vein residing in the Second Anointing, not in any of the various other dubious claims, forged letters, and supposed transfigurations. Members of the Twelve, including BY, had the Second Anointing, and so they had all the authority they needed. William Marks, who also received his Second Anointing, is the source of that authority for the Reorganization. Various fundamentalist groups stem from someone who received the Second Anointing. I am not a fan or supporter of polygamy--in fact, I think it was a huge mistake that was completely unnecessary--but my position is consistent.
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Re: Will Six Days in August even mention the transfiguration of Brigham?

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Kishkumen wrote:
Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:10 pm
It would be one thing if Smith had provided one, clear, and easily defensible plan for succession. Fortunately or unfortunately, depending on one's point of view, he did not. I am of the opinion that he deliberately lined up various possibilities as contingencies in case some of them failed. The historical support for the view that the Twelve were his plan for succession is problematic to say the least. That said, I see nothing wrong with the idea that the Twelve succeeded at carrying the torch and building a viable church on the foundation Joseph Smith laid. I am a Pan-Restorationist. I see the authority to continue in the Restoration vein residing in the Second Anointing, not in any of the various other dubious claims, forged letters, and supposed transfigurations. Members of the Twelve, including BY, had the Second Anointing, and so they had all the authority they needed. William Marks, who also received his Second Anointing, is the source of that authority for the Reorganization. Various fundamentalist groups stem from someone who received the Second Anointing. I am not a fan or supporter of polygamy--in fact, I think it was a huge mistake that was completely unnecessary--but my position is consistent.
It does appear to me that one has to really stretch the story to make Brigham the obvious successor.
“David Sanders on SeN” wrote: Dr. Peterson, how is your upcoming film going to portray the contemporaneous accounts of the "transfiguration of Brigham Young?" It will be interesting to see what you decide to portray in the film.

Nobody talked about this "transfiguration" when it happened and there are no recorded contemporaneous accounts that support the transfiguration. No journals, letters, or newspaper accounts that would back up this amazing story.

Brigham's speech was reported on in detail in both Nauvoo newspapers and recorded by scribes for the official church records. Several hundred members present wrote about Brigham's speech in great detail in their private journals. Nowhere was there a single mention of the miraculous or divine.

Richard Van Wagoner wrote probably the most detailed and thoroughly researched paper on this subject published in Dialogue, A Journal of Mormon Thought, Volume 28, No. 4, Winter 1995. Richard Van Wagoner details how the story of Brigham Young transforming into Joseph Smith was created. Richard Van Wagoner uses the original diaries of the people in attendance at the meeting on August 8, 1844 providing evidence that those there neglected to note the miracle that occurred before their eyes, but later in life the Utah Mormons (including many that weren't even in attendance) describe the transfiguration they supposedly witnessed first hand in great detail. This is a wonderful illustration of how many of the religious myths were/are started.
I do hope you get a comprehensive reply from The Improprietor.
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