Mormon Temples give the poors a taste of the good life

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Philo Sofee wrote:
Mon Aug 14, 2023 11:05 pm
If they really were anything like the ancient temples as restored principles and ideals, they would have so much more to them than just boxes with bright lights on their outside to ruin night-sight for star watching. It's down right ludicrous how out of whack they are in regard to the really instructive and spiritual symbolism ancient temples actually exude for anyone who wishes to pursue such topics.
Temples anciently were actually places of real P-O-W-E-R because of WHERE they were built. Today's temples? Meh... Nothing ever happens inside like hints are given to us in ancient times used to happen. It's all "window dressing and eye wash" to steal a phrase from Hugh Nibley (Note to DCP, I did not plagiarize Nibley here, I gave him proper credit - duh).
So are none of the latter-day temples real temples, in your opinion?
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By the way, who are the LDS voices in Wyoming fighting for the temple to be built? Was this really, as DCP says, the poor humble Saints of the area in tears with the Lord to grant a place of worship for them? How much of this is the Saints of Wyoming and how much is third party consultants of SLC who were hired to determine the next temple locations?

I haven't been following DCPs reporting, but has he been linking to all the Facebook Pages, Twitter posts, and blogging by Wyoming Saints advocating for their faith?
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By the way, who are the LDS voices in Wyoming fighting for the temple to be built? Was this really, as DCP says, the poor humble Saints of the area in tears with the Lord to grant a place of worship for them? How much of this is the Saints of Wyoming and how much is third party consultants of SLC who were hired to determine the next temple locations?

I haven't been following DCPs reporting, but has he been linking to all the Facebook Pages, Twitter posts, and blogging by Wyoming Saints advocating for their faith?
There are more temples in the world than many popular fast food chain locations at this point.

It’ll look weird if you small town doesn’t have a Mormon temple.
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drumdude wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2023 3:24 pm
Gadianton wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2023 2:20 pm
By the way, who are the LDS voices in Wyoming fighting for the temple to be built? Was this really, as DCP says, the poor humble Saints of the area in tears with the Lord to grant a place of worship for them? How much of this is the Saints of Wyoming and how much is third party consultants of SLC who were hired to determine the next temple locations?

I haven't been following DCPs reporting, but has he been linking to all the Facebook Pages, Twitter posts, and blogging by Wyoming Saints advocating for their faith?
There are more temples in the world than many popular fast food chain locations at this point.

It’ll look weird if you small town doesn’t have a Mormon temple.
Temples dotting the earth has been taking on more meaning in the last number of years. It is amazing.

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Gadianton wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2023 2:20 pm
By the way, who are the LDS voices in Wyoming fighting for the temple to be built? Was this really, as DCP says, the poor humble Saints of the area in tears with the Lord to grant a place of worship for them? How much of this is the Saints of Wyoming and how much is third party consultants of SLC who were hired to determine the next temple locations?

I haven't been following DCPs reporting, but has he been linking to all the Facebook Pages, Twitter posts, and blogging by Wyoming Saints advocating for their faith?
Tallahassee, Florida is getting a temple, and I can tell you that it is something local LDS people did hope and pray for, as well as regularly talk about in meetings, for years. I thought it was kind of crazy of them, or at least wildly unrealistic.
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Kishkumen wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:46 am
Gadianton wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2023 2:20 pm
By the way, who are the LDS voices in Wyoming fighting for the temple to be built? Was this really, as DCP says, the poor humble Saints of the area in tears with the Lord to grant a place of worship for them? How much of this is the Saints of Wyoming and how much is third party consultants of SLC who were hired to determine the next temple locations?

I haven't been following DCPs reporting, but has he been linking to all the Facebook Pages, Twitter posts, and blogging by Wyoming Saints advocating for their faith?
Tallahassee, Florida is getting a temple, and I can tell you that it is something local LDS people did hope and pray for, as well as regularly talk about in meetings, for years. I thought it was kind of crazy of them, or at least wildly unrealistic.
If I were LDS, I’d want one close by. The one for our area is about 35-40 miles away from our home.
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Kishkumen wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2023 10:51 am
Philo Sofee wrote:
Mon Aug 14, 2023 11:05 pm
If they really were anything like the ancient temples as restored principles and ideals, they would have so much more to them than just boxes with bright lights on their outside to ruin night-sight for star watching. It's down right ludicrous how out of whack they are in regard to the really instructive and spiritual symbolism ancient temples actually exude for anyone who wishes to pursue such topics.
Temples anciently were actually places of real P-O-W-E-R because of WHERE they were built. Today's temples? Meh... Nothing ever happens inside like hints are given to us in ancient times used to happen. It's all "window dressing and eye wash" to steal a phrase from Hugh Nibley (Note to DCP, I did not plagiarize Nibley here, I gave him proper credit - duh).
So are none of the latter-day temples real temples, in your opinion?
Oh I suppose they are, they just aren't actually restored temples and what their purpose was for the ancients, though there are general parallels one can draw from which is what gives Mormons their mileage. It is when they start making each and every single verse in each and every single scripture in each and every canon that one rolls their eyes. The problem is, one's focus becomes the building instead of what the building is attempting to point one towards, and that's when the historical literalism takes one off the real reason for it.
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Philo Sofee wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2023 12:21 pm
Oh I suppose they are, they just aren't actually restored temples and what their purpose was for the ancients, though there are general parallels one can draw from which is what gives Mormons their mileage. It is when they start making each and every single verse in each and every single scripture in each and every canon that one rolls their eyes. The problem is, one's focus becomes the building instead of what the building is attempting to point one towards, and that's when the historical literalism takes one off the real reason for it.
Well, the biggest obvious difference is the lack of blood sacrifices. Second is the lack of a restriction on the priesthood to a single lineage. The core idea, however, is contact with the divine presence, no? Other things like education in sacred geometry are there, in a sense, inasmuch as Freemasons were interested in sacred geometry, and the endowment builds on the Masonic ritual framework. What is really missing that should be there is an education in the deeper meaning of all of these things. The LDS Church seems primarily interested in the covenantal aspect, and, while that is important, it is certainly not the only thing of importance about a temple. It is regrettable that knowledge of the temple has been diluted and degraded to the point that most LDS people don't even like going there. Instead of changing the temple, they should have educated the members properly.
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Philo Sofee wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2023 12:21 pm
Kishkumen wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2023 10:51 am


So are none of the latter-day temples real temples, in your opinion?
Oh I suppose they are, they just aren't actually restored temples and what their purpose was for the ancients, though there are general parallels one can draw from which is what gives Mormons their mileage. It is when they start making each and every single verse in each and every single scripture in each and every canon that one rolls their eyes. The problem is, one's focus becomes the building instead of what the building is attempting to point one towards, and that's when the historical literalism takes one off the real reason for it.
Our family was involved in the open house and dedication of the Saratoga Springs Utah Temple. Throughout the whole process the emphasis in everything that was done pointed to Christ and His Atonement. Of course, there was also emphasis on the doctrine of eternal progression/families. But that’s to be expected in a House of the Lord where the sealing power of God is operational.

The temples today are modern temples, not ancient. As you said, there will be general parallels but we might also expect that in a restoration of the ‘fullness of times’ we might find additional ‘light and knowledge’ revealed in regards to the temples and the ordinances/covenants entered into there.

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Re the title of this thread, poor people are 'permitted' (to use DCP's word) to enter, only if they pay 10% of their income to the lds church. A leader of the lds church said 'poverty would be cured' if only all the poverty-stricken paid their tithing first. It's despicable that a religion would prey upon people in this manner.
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