DCP in Interpreter: "No real woman...would ever really, lastingly, satisfy."

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Re: DCP in Interpreter: "No real woman...would ever really, lastingly, satisfy."

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I did not catch the point of the clichéd reference to Playboy. Desire is complicated or multiple dimensioned. Scratch hit the nail on the head with cheeseburgers.

Puzzled by what brought up cheeseburgers I checked the article and found a variety of quotes and references some I found of interest. The Jeffers quote is to my liking.

I thought the Buber reference fit the point Marcus was making.
The great Jewish existentialist philosopher Martin Buber, indeed, believed that every true encounter with a “You” – every truly personal relationship that is not merely an instrumental relationship with a person objectified into an “It” – points to the personal “You” of God:
Well I am capable of thinking nontheist sometimes and in that mode I hear Buber touching what is closest in reality to what people find the idea of God pointing to.
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There is always a bigger house, greater power to be had, more money, a more desirable mate, some more intense pleasure to be sought, a faster car, more status, more prestige.
Another city or country to travel to, another hotel to stay in, or another restaurant wherein to enjoy lunch with friends.
Dr. Moore wrote: but no one is obligated to let it build a nest there.
That's what I was thinking. We're dealing with a major nest here.

I have no idea what he's talking about in regards to photographs and air-brushing etc., guess I'll take him at his word; sounds like he's the expert on this one.
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Just because it was there and more interesting than Playboy foot notes.

From the article,

The California poet Robinson Jeffers contended that it is God’s tendency to go extravagantly beyond the merely functional or the merely necessary in nature that awakens in us a sense of the divine presence:

Is it not by his high superfluousness we know
Our God? For to be equal a need
Is natural, animal, mineral: but to fling
Rainbows over the rain
And beauty above the moon, and secret rainbows
On the domes of deep sea-shells,
And make the necessary embrace of breeding
Beautiful also as fire,
Not even the weeds to multiply without blossom
Nor the birds without music:
There is the great humaneness at the heart of things,
The extravagant kindness, the fountain
Humanity can understand, and would flow likewise
If power and desire were perch-mates.6
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Well, it was just a couple of months ago when DCP compared women to “savory pieces of meat on a grill.”

DCP, the Harvey Weinstein of Mopology.
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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Tue Oct 17, 2023 1:41 am
Well, it was just a couple of months ago when DCP compared women to “savory pieces of meat on a grill.”

DCP, the Harvey Weinstein of Mopology.
Are you serious?! How did I miss that one?
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Philo Sofee wrote:
Tue Oct 17, 2023 2:25 am
Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Tue Oct 17, 2023 1:41 am
Well, it was just a couple of months ago when DCP compared women to “savory pieces of meat on a grill.”

DCP, the Harvey Weinstein of Mopology.
Are you serious?! How did I miss that one?
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Re: DCP in Interpreter: "No real woman...would ever really, lastingly, satisfy."

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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Tue Oct 17, 2023 2:34 am
Philo Sofee wrote:
Tue Oct 17, 2023 2:25 am
Are you serious?! How did I miss that one?
viewtopic.php?p=2826165#p2826165
I think you might be misreading what is being said. Philo, I don’t think there is any there there.

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At the risk of offending some of my readers: I think that the monthly Playboy [sic] magazine “Playmate” illustrates this very well. The woman in the photograph is perfect. Also air-brushed, posed, and professionally photographed. No real woman — including the one in the photograph — would ever really, lastingly, satisfy. The magazine’s impresario, Hugh Hefner, had hundreds if not thousands of sexual partners.
I wonder how Mrs Peterson feels about her husband scrolling through monthly porn mags, ogling the women pictured, and declaring them to be, in his opinion, perfect?
Yet there is a natural human tendency to try, over and over and over again and quite in vain, to find lasting satisfaction in such things. They cannot and do not satisfy. We are never fully content, and never content for long. There is always a bigger house, greater power to be had, more money, a more desirable mate, some more intense pleasure to be sought, a faster car, more status, more prestige.
Given Peterson's habitual overeating, one can't help but think there's some melancholy and self-loathing behind this passage. He must see the irony of a morbidly obese man pontificating about the ills over overindulgence in an effort to gain lasting satisfaction?
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I Have Questions wrote:
Tue Oct 17, 2023 9:17 am
At the risk of offending some of my readers: I think that the monthly Playboy [sic] magazine “Playmate” illustrates this very well. The woman in the photograph is perfect. Also air-brushed, posed, and professionally photographed. No real woman — including the one in the photograph — would ever really, lastingly, satisfy. The magazine’s impresario, Hugh Hefner, had hundreds if not thousands of sexual partners.
I wonder how Mrs Peterson feels about her husband scrolling through monthly porn mags, ogling the women pictured, and declaring them to be, in his opinion, perfect?
Yet there is a natural human tendency to try, over and over and over again and quite in vain, to find lasting satisfaction in such things. They cannot and do not satisfy. We are never fully content, and never content for long. There is always a bigger house, greater power to be had, more money, a more desirable mate, some more intense pleasure to be sought, a faster car, more status, more prestige.
Given Peterson's habitual overeating, one can't help but think there's some melancholy and self-loathing behind this passage. He must see the irony of a morbidly obese man pontificating about the ills over overindulgence in an effort to gain lasting satisfaction?
What is really obnoxious is this:
:...The woman in the photograph is perfect....
Really Peterson? Really? And then, to add insult to injury, here is how and why the thing is perfect:
...Also air-brushed, posed, and professionally photographed. No real woman — including the one in the photograph — would ever really, lastingly, satisfy...
I understand he's creating an object lesson. But why? What is it about Peterson that creates this 'thing' in his mind, and calls it 'perfection'? In all his years of a relationship with a real woman, what possesses him that he lingers over these fakes, and declares them perfect, instead of declaring his relationship with a real woman to be the standard?

If we apply these standards of perfection equally, would he object to what women might think about his outward lack of perfection? Or would he assume he would be judged as a human being by his inward qualities, and not by the lack of 'perfection' in his outward qualities?
Peterson wrote: Yet there is a natural human tendency to try, over and over and over again and quite in vain, to find lasting satisfaction in such things. They cannot and do not satisfy. We are never fully content, and never content for long. There is always a bigger house, greater power to be had, more money, a more desirable mate...
Natural? Human? Why do men like Peterson define their search for "a more desirable mate" as natural and human?? Have they not learned anything about relationships? Are women still just things, ultimately unsatisfying 'things,' to people like Peterson? (And it's clear he is talking about men in this case, otherwise, his Playboy example would be Playboy AND Playgirl.)
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I think this mindset is common in the Church due to the stunted growth of the members. It’s always amazing to me how limited their world views are because many of them have such limited interactions with the world around them. Their bubble prevents them from experiencing genuine relationships with people outside their sphere and as a a result they lack the confidence to truly interact with the world.

There is also this obsession with perfection, as it is promised in the next life, so they try and constantly predict what perfection is. There stunted growth and lack of exposure to things beyond their immediate surroundings has them fall trap to ridiculous ideas like playmates are the gold standard for the female body. That is a frat boy interpretation.
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