We’re both in the same room. But that seems to be about as far as it goes.
Have a nice day.
Regards,
MG
We’re both in the same room. But that seems to be about as far as it goes.
Not at all. The idea is that we each enter the room with our own biases that influence our perceptions, but that these biases and perceptions can change as we're willing to empathize and interact with each other. Sometimes something in the room will force them to change even when we don't empathize and interact with each other. Perception is an open system influenced by many things.
I agree. Nonetheless, we each are subject to the limitations of being “closed in” inasfar as we create and in a certain sense imagine our own reality. Whether or not we change our biases and perceptions are a product of multifaceted workings within the closed system of our own minds. To think that the ‘other’ is in some respects ‘malleable clay’ that can be influenced to fall in line with a certain set of beliefs, biases, prejudices, etc., is of course a ‘thing’. We have seen this to be the case throughout history and even in our own time.Morley wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 5:18 pmNot at all. The idea is that we each enter the room with our own biases that influence our perceptions, but that these biases and perceptions can change as we're willing to empathize and interact with each other. Sometimes something in the room will force them to change even when we don't empathize and interact with each other. Perception is an open system influenced by many things.
You don’t have the free will to have written this any other way. Your brain didn’t just travel the path of least resistance- it traveled the only path it could have. There was no point in time when you could have written this differently, because then you would have written it differently.MG 2.0 wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 6:26 pmSome people are more malleable than others because they seem to be predisposed to letting their minds travel the path of least resistance. We’re all prone to that. But after all is said and done we are responsible for our own decisions even as we receive constant input and influences from the outside world…which is anything outside our own head.
What is doing the "willing" ? Believers like to say the soul. I have yet to see evidence of refined matter interacting with non-refined matter without leaving a single shred of evidence. I see believers all the time think preferences are the same thing as free will. This illusion seems to give comfort that there really is a litte man running the pg13 Cartesian theater.drumdude wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 7:03 pmYou don’t have the free will to have written this any other way. Your brain didn’t just travel the path of least resistance- it traveled the only path it could have. There was no point in time when you could have written this differently, because then you would have written it differently.MG 2.0 wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 6:26 pmSome people are more malleable than others because they seem to be predisposed to letting their minds travel the path of least resistance. We’re all prone to that. But after all is said and done we are responsible for our own decisions even as we receive constant input and influences from the outside world…which is anything outside our own head.
If you do enough introspection like this you’ll discover that free will is an illusion.
In fact I do. Just as you had the free will to respond to my post.drumdude wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 7:03 pmYou don’t have the free will to have written this any other way.MG 2.0 wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 6:26 pmSome people are more malleable than others because they seem to be predisposed to letting their minds travel the path of least resistance. We’re all prone to that. But after all is said and done we are responsible for our own decisions even as we receive constant input and influences from the outside world…which is anything outside our own head.
No it didn’t. As I’ve recently said, however, that does seem to happen. You’re taking an all or nothing approach it seems to me. I could be mistaken though because I can’t know for a fact what is going on inside your head.
I wrote this an hour or two ago in linear time. I could have written it differently then and I could go back and edit it now. Within the closed system of my mind and self awareness I can choose my actions and express them in the world that is external to me.
I don’t think so. Hey, thanks for chiming in drumdude. Hope all is well with you and yours.
I suppose you would have to answer that question for yourself.Rivendale wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 7:20 pmWhat is doing the "willing"?drumdude wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 7:03 pmYou don’t have the free will to have written this any other way. Your brain didn’t just travel the path of least resistance- it traveled the only path it could have. There was no point in time when you could have written this differently, because then you would have written it differently.
If you do enough introspection like this you’ll discover that free will is an illusion.
MG, actually neither you nor anyone else has a factual basis to claim that you could have acted or not acted differently than you did at some time in the past. Once you've acted, there is no way for you to go back and not act. What we all have is some kind of sense that we are choosing. But that sense is just another signal from the brain, and there is no way to tell how closely that sense resembles objectively what really happened.MG 2.0 wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 8:06 pmIn fact I do. Just as you had the free will to respond to my post.
No it didn’t. As I’ve recently said, however, that does seem to happen. You’re taking an all or nothing approach it seems to me. I could be mistaken though because I can’t know for a fact what is going on inside your head.
I wrote this an hour or two ago in linear time. I could have written it differently then and I could go back and edit it now. Within the closed system of my mind and self awareness I can choose my actions and express them in the world that is external to me.
I am sitting here right now on a swing on our patio finishing a Nature’s Bakery Fig Bar and a container of yogurt after having gone out for an hour run. I did both of these things because I chose to.
I just chose to write the previous paragraph of my own free will and choice.
Free will is the greatest gift we have. You should just accept it and roll with it, in my opinion. But your world is external to mine and it may well be that you have no free will and are not a free agent. Or at least believe that to be so. But that is something that I have no control over.
I don’t think so. Hey, thanks for chiming in drumdude. Hope all is well with you and yours.
Regards,
MG