I do find it interesting that the thread has gotten to the point of "what the definition of is, is" just to avoid calling Dehlin out.
LOL. Is “calling out Dehlin” a new former Mormon purity test of some kind? The only avoidance going on here is you avoiding the fact that your “principled” basis isn’t principled at all. If you think John Dehlin should be humiliated or punished, that’s okay. Just don’t try to pass off whatever your deal with him as principled. A rule that you want to apply only to John Dehlin isn’t a principled anything.
This reads like a complete non sequitur, Res. This discussion of Dehlin is no different than many discussions here about other public figures like Trump. There’s no requirement that anyone else meet this “principled criticism” test, except for some reason now there is for Dehlin?
I’m struggling to see what makes Dehlin so special.
Mabe it's the language. I use what I know to make a decision, not to call out, humiliate, or punish Dehlin, but simply to decide whether or not I 1) want to listen to his podcast, and/or 2)plan to donate to the OS Foundation. That's all.
Mabe it's the language. I use what I know to make a decision, not to call out, humiliate, or punish Dehlin, but simply to decide whether or not I 1) want to listen to his podcast, and/or 2)plan to donate to the OS Foundation. That's all.
If we all adopted this position for Mormonism, we would never have written a single word here criticizing the Mormon church and its leaders. We would have just silently left.
I think most of us post here because we find the discussion valuable, even if it risks calling out, humiliating, and punishing Mormon leaders. Mormon Stories and other podcasts like it have made a lot of money doing just that.
Perhaps the discomfort is that affairs are normally private things. If Dehlin cheated on his wife with someone outside of work, I could understand that being completely irrelevant to Mormon Stories. Bringing it up here would seem petty and capricious. But that’s not what happened here.
Mabe it's the language. I use what I know to make a decision, not to call out, humiliate, or punish Dehlin, but simply to decide whether or not I 1) want to listen to his podcast, and/or 2)plan to donate to the OS Foundation. That's all.
Exactly.
he/him we all just have to live through it,
holding each other’s hands.
Mabe it's the language. I use what I know to make a decision, not to call out, humiliate, or punish Dehlin, but simply to decide whether or not I 1) want to listen to his podcast, and/or 2)plan to donate to the OS Foundation. That's all.
If we all adopted this position for Mormonism, we would never have written a single word here criticizing the Mormon church and its leaders. We would have just silently left.
I think most of us post here because we find the discussion valuable, even if it risks calling out, humiliating, and punishing Mormon leaders. Mormon Stories and other podcasts like it have made a lot of money doing just that.
Perhaps the discomfort is that affairs are normally private things. If Dehlin cheated on his wife with someone outside of work, I could understand that being completely irrelevant to Mormon Stories. Bringing it up here would seem petty and capricious. But that’s not what happened here.
I don't consider Dehlin to be in the same category as a Mormon leader.
If we all adopted this position for Mormonism, we would never have written a single word here criticizing the Mormon church and its leaders. We would have just silently left.
I think most of us post here because we find the discussion valuable, even if it risks calling out, humiliating, and punishing Mormon leaders. Mormon Stories and other podcasts like it have made a lot of money doing just that.
Perhaps the discomfort is that affairs are normally private things. If Dehlin cheated on his wife with someone outside of work, I could understand that being completely irrelevant to Mormon Stories. Bringing it up here would seem petty and capricious. But that’s not what happened here.
I don't consider Dehlin to be in the same category as a Mormon leader.
If we all adopted this position for Mormonism, we would never have written a single word here criticizing the Mormon church and its leaders. We would have just silently left.
I think most of us post here because we find the discussion valuable, even if it risks calling out, humiliating, and punishing Mormon leaders. Mormon Stories and other podcasts like it have made a lot of money doing just that....
I agree with you very, very much that the discussion about the LDS church is "valuable, even if it risks calling out, humiliating, and punishing Mormon leaders."
I just don't consider Dehlin to be in that category. I know enough to not be interested in listening, to not donate, and to know i dislike his character and would never trust him. That's enough.
If we all adopted this position for Mormonism, we would never have written a single word here criticizing the Mormon church and its leaders. We would have just silently left.
I think most of us post here because we find the discussion valuable, even if it risks calling out, humiliating, and punishing Mormon leaders. Mormon Stories and other podcasts like it have made a lot of money doing just that....
I agree with you very, very much that the discussion about the LDS church is "valuable, even if it risks calling out, humiliating, and punishing Mormon leaders."
I just don't consider Dehlin to be in that category. I know enough to not be interested in listening, to not donate, and to know i dislike his character and would never trust him. That's enough.
Fair enough. I don’t think Dehlin deserves an entire forum devoted to criticizing him. One thread, to me, seems appropriate but I can understand you and Res disagreeing with that.
I was responding to what you said about Mormon leaders here, which I agree with:
I agree with you very, very much that the discussion about the LDS church is "valuable, even if it risks calling out, humiliating, and punishing Mormon leaders."
I just don't consider Dehlin to be in that category. I know enough to not be interested in listening, to not donate, and to know i dislike his character and would never trust him. That's enough.
Fair enough. I don’t think Dehlin deserves an entire forum devoted to criticizing him. One thread, to me, seems appropriate but I can understand you and Res disagreeing with that.
Now I'm confused. I have no problem with the threads here, and I've expressed my negative opinion repeatedly, and will continue to do so, i'm sure. I thought you meant going beyond that.
Fair enough. I don’t think Dehlin deserves an entire forum devoted to criticizing him. One thread, to me, seems appropriate but I can understand you and Res disagreeing with that.
Now I'm confused. I have no problem with the threads here, and I've expressed my negative opinion repeatedly, and will continue to do so, i'm sure. I thought you meant going beyond that.
I didn’t mean to misrepresent you, I understand you now on the first part. What do you mean by going beyond it?
