Pro-Trump media thread

[Binger]

Gad, you seem to want to apply a label or judgment to christians, patriotic Americans, and business owners that don’t vote like you and don’t look like you.

I reject your BS. I don’t think this censorship is helping you.

I am applying the label to Americans who are calling for some kind of nationalism, mainly Christian nationalism.

Gad. This guy loves America, business and maybe dogs too.

https://x.com/KidRock/status/1812488029186953493

[canpakes]

I am applying the label to Americans who are calling for some kind of nationalism, mainly Christian nationalism.

Gad. This guy loves America, business and maybe dogs too.

https://x.com/KidRock/status/1812488029186953493

And Bud Light and drag queens, but only when no one else is looking.

I guess that his right-wing tantrums are necessary as a way to generate income from the Base.

[Gadianton]

I hope he does like dogs. I have several right-wing neighbors who love their dogs. At least there's that. But a certain pro-Trump governor who almost became VP isn't so pro-dog, is she?

Oh I forgot: "Everybody has a bad day," right?

[canpakes]

I hope he does like dogs. I have several right-wing neighbors who love their dogs. At least there's that. But a certain pro-Trump governor who almost became VP isn't so pro-dog, is she?

Oh I forgot: "Everybody has a bad day," right?

Trump reportedly hates dogs. Was Kristi trying to catch his eye for that sweet VP gig?

[Gadianton]

That is true. I respect him for that -- for not owning a dog that he can't love but having it anyway for appearances.

[Gadianton]

Today's junkyard dog is the guy who owns the local independent pet store. I've been told he's a maniac for Trump and QAnon. I don't recall for certain, but I'm pretty sure he's not Christian. He probably won't benefit from the Christian Nationalist Trump agenda, which Trump doesn't care about either, by the way, but he's happy to throw the nation to their rabid and sick mouths for the support structure they ready to cement his power.

My dog still gets groomed there.

[Gadianton]

Today's junkyard dog is none other than Hulk Hogan. I assume everyone saw him struggle to rip his shirt off as he spoke at the RNC. He even invoked the name of the Macho Man Randy Savage. For sure, this was the high point of the RNC. Trump appeared to be uncomfortable with it, and some have speculated that this is because Trump doesn't like to be one-upped. He was one-upped. The Hulk hit it out of the park in terms of performance. He also made a great deal more sense than anyone else who spoke. He did lie about one thing. He is not merely a performer who was pulled into politics over the threat to America (over the threat to his friend of 35 years). He wanted to run as Trump's VP in 2016. One could also argue, as I have, that he created Republican politics as it exists today, second to only Vince McMahon. His point that Trump and Vance are the greatest performance tag team that he's ever seen was spot on; well, in terms of politicians trying to act like WWE stars. He and Macho Man were way better overall, I would absolutely vote Hogan / Savage over Trump / Vance.

Was Hogan the original, or the broke bad "Hollywood" Hulk Hogan? Somewhere in the middle. Interestingly, if Trump does flip as the media has speculated, it would be very much like the WWE where wrestler's flipped between negative/positive hero as they gauged audience feedback.

[Dr. Shades]

Gadianton:

When you say the media is speculating about Trump “flipping,” what exactly do they mean? Or, in other words, what does him flipping look like?

[Gadianton]

Gadianton:

When you say the media is speculating about Trump “flipping,” what exactly do they mean? Or, in other words, what does him flipping look like?

It's a fair question, and I'm not sure I have a great example of a flip from negative to positive hero. I can think of wrestlers who started out as bad guys, where the fans rejected the intended badness and liked them, and so they ended up "good" but still retaining the negative characteristics. Like Jake the Snake Roberts, he ended up as a fan favorite but you can't say that a guy who is throwing a python on his fallen opponent as a final move is a positive hero. I can't think of any switch in the direction of negative to positive (remember that doesn't mean bad to good). It's probably happened I just can't remember.

I may have something. The Penguin in Batman Returns. I suppose he's a positive villain? Unfortunately, I don't know enough about the Batman franchise to say if his role in that installment was true to his character historically. So he's a bad guy, but, he breaks the mold as I understand it where the villain simplistically intimidates and terrorizes the people of Gotham. So he comes out and gives this dramatic speech about how he was abandoned as a child and suffered and made mistakes and all that, but then he exclaims triumphantly, regarding his parents, "but I forgive them!" I about died, it was the greatest monologue of all time, and the only reason I remember the movie.

Imagine if Trump took a play from the Penguin and magnanimously forgave Joe Biden and Jack Smith and blessed those who despitefully used him with the same flair as the Penguin. Think of how that increases his chances. This is what I think the media means, and it's certainly something I believe, and I came to my belief independent of the media. Yes, he would piss off half of his base, but they'd still vote for him. He would win over the simplistic independents who judged him for his divisive rhetoric and poor sportsmanship.

[Binger]

Gadianton:

When you say the media is speculating about Trump “flipping,” what exactly do they mean? Or, in other words, what does him flipping look like?

It's a fair question, and I'm not sure I have a great example of a flip from negative to positive hero. I can think of wrestlers who started out as bad guys, where the fans rejected it and liked them, and so they ended up "good" but still retaining the negative characteristics. Like Jake the Snake Roberts, he ended up as a fan favorite but you can't say that a guy who is throwing a python on his fallen opponent as a final move is a positive hero. I can't think of any switch in the direction of negative to positive (remember that doesn't mean bad to good). It's probably happened I just can't remember.

I may have something. The Penguin in Batman Returns. I suppose he's a positive villain? Unfortunately, I don't know enough about the Batman franchise to say if his role in that installment was true to his character historically. So he's a bad guy, but, he breaks the mold as I understand it where the villain simplistically intimidates and terrorizes the people of Gotham. So he comes out gives gives this dramatic speech about how he was abandoned as a child and suffered and made mistakes and all that, but then he exclaims triumphantly, regarding his parents, "but I forgive them!". I about died, it was the greatest monologue of all time.

Imagine if Trump took a play from the Penguin and magnanimously forgave Joe Biden and Jack Smith and blessed those who despitefully used him with the same flair as the Penguin. This is what I think the media means, and it's certainly something I believe, and I came to my belief independent of the media. Yes, he would piss off half of his base, but they'd still vote for him. He would win over the simplistic independents who judged him for his divisive rhetoric and poor sportsmanship.

So being nice and being convincing is a flip?

This is all nonsense. The hypothetical is nonsense.

Gad, you are saying. "I called you a miser and a thief. If you give me a house and don't prosecute me for the crimes I committed, I could be convinced otherwise. And, if you piss off half your base, I could be convinced that you are a good guy." Your entire argument seems to rest on a hypothetical that is not real or realistic.