I'll bite. Life is present in both the sperm and the ovum, long before fertilization. Unique DNA is found in both. There is little that is innately precious about either. Life is also present in a fertilized egg before it implants into the uterine lining. The way God (or nature) treats this suggests that there's little that's innately precious about this, either.
So you agree the life of an unborn human begins at conception. Why do you say there is nothing precious about that life? When does life become “precious”?
“For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well.”
Psalm 139:13-14 ESV
The words you quote were written by someone who had no idea whatsoever about the biological processes that start with a single cell end up with a live baby. It describes God knitting together parts to make a human being. It certainly doesn't describe a blastocyst. How you can claim that what you are doing has anything to do with anything is a mystery.
Is it ever moral to kill an adult human being? Are there situations in which it is immoral not to kill an adult human being?
he/him we all just have to live through it,
holding each other’s hands.
I'll bite. Life is present in both the sperm and the ovum, long before fertilization. Unique DNA is found in both. There is little that is innately precious about either. Life is also present in a fertilized egg before it implants into the uterine lining. The way God (or nature) treats this suggests that there's little that's innately precious about this, either.
So you agree the life of an unborn human begins at conception. Why do you say there is nothing precious about that life? When does life become “precious”?
“For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well.”
Psalm 139:13-14 ESV
At about the midpoint of pregnancy, from about 15 to 20 weeks after conception, the number of brain cells in the cerebral cortex increases rapidly; by the seventh month, the fetus is emitting its own brain waves, which can be detected through the mother's abdomen.
"6 The Development and Shaping of the Brain" Discovering the Brain, Ackerman S.
Washington (DC): National Academies Press (US); 1992. (National Institute of Health, National Library of Medicine, National Center for Biotechnology Medicine
Our society is willing to 'pull the plug' on someone who no longer has detectable brain wave activity. So why the aversion to ending a pregnancy before a fetus has any detectable brain wave activity?
"The truth has no defense against a fool determined to believe a lie." – Mark Twain
So you agree the life of an unborn human begins at conception. Why do you say there is nothing precious about that life? When does life become “precious”?
“For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well.”
Psalm 139:13-14 ESV
At about the midpoint of pregnancy, from about 15 to 20 weeks after conception, the number of brain cells in the cerebral cortex increases rapidly; by the seventh month, the fetus is emitting its own brain waves, which can be detected through the mother's abdomen.
"6 The Development and Shaping of the Brain" Discovering the Brain, Ackerman S.
Washington (DC): National Academies Press (US); 1992. (National Institute of Health, National Library of Medicine, National Center for Biotechnology Medicine
Our society is willing to 'pull the plug' on someone who no longer has detectable brain wave activity. So why the aversion to ending a pregnancy before a fetus has any detectable brain wave activity?
Yes, now we are having a conversation. The brainwave view does have some logic behind it. What is your argument against when a fetus has a heartbeat at approximately 22 days after conception? Isn’t that also a standard for end of life?
Our society is willing to 'pull the plug' on someone who no longer has detectable brain wave activity. So why the aversion to ending a pregnancy before a fetus has any detectable brain wave activity?
Yes, now we are having a conversation. The brainwave view does have some logic behind it. What is your argument against when a fetus has a heartbeat at approximately 22 days after conception? Isn’t that also a standard for end of life?
The fetus does not have a heart at 22 days. It does not have anything resembling a heat. The claim that a 22 day old fetus has a heartbeat is one of many examples of false or misleading information that, sadly, the leaders of anti-abortion groups have fed to a public that is unfamiliar with the biological process that begins with a single cell and ends with a live baby.
he/him we all just have to live through it,
holding each other’s hands.
Our society is willing to 'pull the plug' on someone who no longer has detectable brain wave activity. So why the aversion to ending a pregnancy before a fetus has any detectable brain wave activity?
Yes, now we are having a conversation. The brainwave view does have some logic behind it. What is your argument against when a fetus has a heartbeat at approximately 22 days after conception? Isn’t that also a standard for end of life?
No, we're actually have a fake conversation. According to the Bible, it is sometimes not immoral to kill even adult human beings. Indeed, the Bible supports the notion that it would be immoral under some circumstances to refrain from killing another human being. An adult human being unquestionably "has life." Therefore, the question "when does life begin" is not determinative at all on any question having to do with abortion.
The conversation is fake because it is based on human created categories rather than on the reality presented by the situation at hand.
Why in the world is immoral to do anything to a single cell that is much more similar to one of the millions of skin cells that slough off my body every day than it does me?
he/him we all just have to live through it,
holding each other’s hands.
I'll bite. Life is present in both the sperm and the ovum, long before fertilization. Unique DNA is found in both. There is little that is innately precious about either. Life is also present in a fertilized egg before it implants into the uterine lining. The way God (or nature) treats this suggests that there's little that's innately precious about this, either.
So you agree the life of an unborn human begins at conception. Why do you say there is nothing precious about that life? When does life become “precious”?
No, I said that human life begins before conception. There's nothing precious about sperm.
I also said that human life is present in a zygote that's wandering around in a fallopian tube, and is more than likely going to be discarded (by God or nature)--whether it eventually implants or not.
edit: If God considered these things to be precious, he's do more to save them.
Yes, now we are having a conversation. The brainwave view does have some logic behind it. What is your argument against when a fetus has a heartbeat at approximately 22 days after conception? Isn’t that also a standard for end of life?
No heartbeat at 22 days, however, at 24 days, we humans get gill slits and a tail, so that's still pretty good. Why do you think God does that to us?
I concede. We are all a a batch of cells that evolved from a primordial pool with absolutely no value. Cognitive faculties are fake and cannot exist because they are interpretations. And when our pointless lives end, we degrade back to the ground in which we came. All is vain under the sun.
Yes, now we are having a conversation. The brainwave view does have some logic behind it. What is your argument against when a fetus has a heartbeat at approximately 22 days after conception? Isn’t that also a standard for end of life?
The fetus does not have a heart at 22 days. It does not have anything resembling a heat. The claim that a 22 day old fetus has a heartbeat is one of many examples of false or misleading information that, sadly, the leaders of anti-abortion groups have fed to a public that is unfamiliar with the biological process that begins with a single cell and ends with a live baby.
I concede. We are all a a batch of cells that evolved from a primordial pool with absolutely no value. Cognitive faculties are fake and cannot exist because they are interpretations. And when our pointless lives end, we degrade back to the ground in which we came. All is vain under the sun.
Strawmanning is never a good look.
he/him we all just have to live through it,
holding each other’s hands.
