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Won’t Have To Vote

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Trump tells Florida Christians that in the future they won’t have to vote because “we’ll have it fixed.”

https://apple.news/AwKanlM1_QY2dk19ulpgyIQ
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Kishkumen wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2024 11:05 am
Trump tells Florida Christians that in the future they won’t have to vote because “we’ll have it fixed.”

https://apple.news/AwKanlM1_QY2dk19ulpgyIQ
Imagine if a Democrat had said this, or was accused of saying it, or even something similar. Even if it wasn't recorded, and it was just rumor that some Democrat said it. At that point it would be spun into the story of the century in Right Wing propaganda as proof the Democrat party has conspired to steal elections.

And yet here is their front runner for President openly admitting he wants to destroy our democracy, and all we get are..... crickets.
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Vēritās wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2024 11:38 am
And yet here is their front runner for President openly admitting he wants to destroy our democracy, and all we get are..... crickets.
Worse yet, we get gas lit by everyone who supports Trump. They argue that he is not trying to destroy democracy. We see it right here, even among our "edgy" independents. They say we are being "hysterical."
"I have learned with what evils tyranny infects a state. For it frustrates all the virtues, robs freedom of its lofty mood, and opens a school of fawning and terror, inasmuch as it leaves matters not to the wisdom of the laws, but to the angry whim of those who are in authority.”
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Some will say it's just Trump being Trump and he's not serious. I did get a chuckle out of the fact that his most extreme threat in a while was directed at Christians, because they are the most sympathetic to dishonesty and cheating.

If he's bluffing he's bluffing, why get so worked up? If he's not bluffing, and steps are taken to realize the goal, then countering those steps means a rigged system of justice. The nonsense people are going to be themselves and continue to support Trump no matter what so whatever. Hopefully enough sane people will come through and make the difference.
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Gadianton wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2024 1:42 pm
The nonsense people are going to be themselves and continue to support Trump no matter what so whatever. Hopefully enough sane people will come through and make the difference.
I have a sneaking suspicion that Trump defenders are conjuring permission for themselves to do bad things by convincing themselves that Trump detractors will somehow deserve what they get.
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This seems to be one of those bad statements being turned into a CODE RED!!!! that is a CODE RED!!! but for different reasons.

In context, he seems to be begging Christians to show up at the polls and vote in 2024 after which they can wash their hands of politics. I 100% believe he means that the effects of his presidency would codify Christian Nationalist aims that motivate Christians to engage in national politics. But I don't think he meant it as it is being portrayed: That there will be no more elections after 2024 if he wins. It could be true. But I don't think he cares about anything further than winning in 2024 so he can pardon himself and get revenge. He just needs their votes this one last time.
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But I don't think he cares about anything further than winning in 2024 so he can pardon himself and get revenge. He just needs their votes this one last time.
Trump will pardon himself, but he has floated the trial balloon of being elected beyond his second term several times. However, canceling future elections would ensure that he remains "the leader".
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I'm really disappointed that Trump won't let me vote again in 4 years. Oh well, we gave Democracy a shot.

It starting to appear that Uchtdorf is the only one of the 12 who will not be voting for Trump.

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honorentheos wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2024 5:56 pm
This seems to be one of those bad statements being turned into a CODE RED!!!! that is a CODE RED!!! but for different reasons.

In context, he seems to be begging Christians to show up at the polls and vote in 2024 after which they can wash their hands of politics. I 100% believe he means that the effects of his presidency would codify Christian Nationalist aims that motivate Christians to engage in national politics. But I don't think he meant it as it is being portrayed: That there will be no more elections after 2024 if he wins. It could be true. But I don't think he cares about anything further than winning in 2024 so he can pardon himself and get revenge. He just needs their votes this one last time.
After January 6th I’m done reinterpreting Trump’s words for him. No doubt he wants to get elected for personal gain, but he’s the kind of person to get in bed with fanatics to save his own ass. Let’s hope you’re right, though.

Whatever the case may be, hopefully down ballot people will wake up and elect people who’ll fight the MAGAs in Congress.

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2024 8:55 pm
honorentheos wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2024 5:56 pm
This seems to be one of those bad statements being turned into a CODE RED!!!! that is a CODE RED!!! but for different reasons.

In context, he seems to be begging Christians to show up at the polls and vote in 2024 after which they can wash their hands of politics. I 100% believe he means that the effects of his presidency would codify Christian Nationalist aims that motivate Christians to engage in national politics. But I don't think he meant it as it is being portrayed: That there will be no more elections after 2024 if he wins. It could be true. But I don't think he cares about anything further than winning in 2024 so he can pardon himself and get revenge. He just needs their votes this one last time.
After January 6th I’m done reinterpreting Trump’s words for him. No doubt he wants to get elected for personal gain, but he’s the kind of person to get in bed with fanatics to save his own ass. Let’s hope you’re right, though.

Whatever the case may be, hopefully down ballot people will wake up and elect people who’ll fight the MAGAs in Congress.

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I don't think it's reinterpreting. Before saying it he had commented on not wanting to scold Christians but they don't turn out for elections "proportionately". I think in context it's pretty clear he is begging them to go vote. Throughout the talk he argued for how he is going to fix all of the problems Christians have with faithlessness and government. What he actually says is a good reason to be concerned as he is promising them a return of a false past.

I don't think Trump needs exaggerating to be concerning I guess.

I don't know. I also disliked the way folks used a bad reading of Obama's "You didn't build that" comments and this strikes me as similar.

ETA: Went looking for the transcript to share since it may help folks to judge for themselves rather than just take what is being reported. Not easy to find so here is the video of it with the jump to the section of the speech it occurs:
https://www.youtube.com/live/ghEIj7jS6q ... p&t=57m57s

How NPR is reporting on it:

Trump also urged Christians to turn out for him ahead of Election Day, calling it the "most important election ever." He added that if elected, Christian-related concerns will be "fixed" so much so that they would no longer need to be politically engaged.

"You won’t have to do it anymore. Four more years, you know what? It’ll be fixed, it’ll be fine. You won’t have to vote anymore, my beautiful Christians," he said.

https://www.npr.org/2024/07/27/nx-s1-50 ... ore-speech
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