Punching down - Boylan and Travis "owning" randos online

[Rivendale]

The state of Mormon apologetics in 2024!

Joseph Smith made a lot of mistakes but he publicly apologized for it? What? And the members hated polygamy? Brigham and Wifred took it to a nuclear level. Another gem? How does the leaders get the same revelation? The answer? The holy spirit. Hahah. I would love to talk with Travis .

[IWMP]

Joseph Smith made a lot of mistakes but he publicly apologized for it? What? And the members hated polygamy? Brigham and Wifred took it to a nuclear level. Another gem? How does the leaders get the same revelation? The answer? The holy spirit. Hahah. I would love to talk with Travis .

Hey, you've accidently put your text in my quote box

Edit:
Ohhh I've done it too haha. Ahhh you need to put an extra quote in before your text. You have two open quotes and one close quote.

[Rivendale]

Hey, you've accidently put your text in my quote box

As I pushed submit I think I mistakingly deleted part of the quote.....

[drumdude]

LOL

[Rivendale]

I repent and apologize for my lack of technological ineptitude. On another note ... Travis is an atheist in embryo. He claims Mormonism is not Christianity and actually mops the floor in this phone cal with pastor Wallace..... insufferable to listen to. https://youtu.be/Ho7BhiQJ4Pg?si=_LDTn-gmz8ifgQ52

[Xenophon]

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[Gadianton]

But from my view it just looks absolutely pathetic.

Should that matter? What does Dan think of it?

[drumdude]

But from my view it just looks absolutely pathetic.

Should that matter? What does Dan think of it?

I’ve been wondering that as well. Does it embarrass him too?

[DrStakhanovite]

This stuff is hard to listen to, even as background noise when you are engaged in some other activity. It really doesn’t come across as organic conversation between two people and more like the guests are found on social media and then invited to come on and have an unstructured discussion about religion. You can tell there really isn't any sort of groundwork laid other than both parties want to be there to ostensibly talk about Mormons.

To be honest, I can’t really get a read on either Travis and why he is even doing this stuff. Missionary work is really a sustained effort at articulating an invitation into a particular lived experience and its conceptual environ that necessitates a guide who legitimately cares about you as a person. LDS expressions of Christianity are not that intuitive to outsiders and making that expression understandable and compelling is a tall order. Hugh Nibley engaged in a herculean effort just to get Mormons themselves interested in their own professed faith, how much more has to be accomplished for outsiders?

I guess I shouldn’t find this surprising, Travis belongs to a church that primarily sends out the least equipped missionaries.

[DrStakhanovite]

I am waiting, long wait now, for someone to explain what henotheism during the period of kings in Judah has to do with Mormon theology. It keeps being noted as some sort of clever defense of something.

The lingering impact of 20th century Mopologetics.

Step 1: Square up with a cult ministry interlocutor.

Step 2: Bamboozle said interlocutor with some critical scholarship from the world of Biblical Studies they are not very familiar with to rhetorically move them to unfamiliar ground.

Step 3: Capitalize on the confusion by conflating a very modern modern reconstruction of a discrete period in biblical history with LDS theology.

Step 4: Marvel at the impossibility of Joseph Smith getting it so right for an illiterate farm kid.

Step 5: Take a victory lap.