Genital touching in the original endowment temple ceremony

[I Have Questions]

I don't want a god who handles women like that either, so that doesn't help. Not to mention that it is invariably a human who says 'god told me' to stand in for him so that's why I'm allowed to grope multiple women.

I had no idea there was opposite sex touching, I thought it was all same sex. That’s awful, Marcus. I’m really sorry you went through that.

It makes me sick to think my bride may have experienced the same thing when we went through together.

All women doing endowments experience that. It’s one of the more popular assignments for the male officiaters, they’re never short of volunteers for that duty.

[Moksha]

How would the women and men know? Aren't Mormon initiates supposed to be in some hypnotic state? I apologize to Shades in advance if this question is wrong. Otherwise, wouldn't initiates yell out something about hands-off?

[Dr. Shades]

That IS awful. Anyone who used their role as a temple worker to abuse others sexually is a disgusting human being.

You're missing the point. It was a temple ritual. The person administering the initiatory had no choice OTHER THAN to touch the genitals, similar to how a person performing a baptism has no choice OTHER THAN to immerse the person completely.

When genitals stopped being touched, it was only because the higher-ups officially changed the way the ordinance was performed.

My initiatory was performed by a woman, but the "five points of fellowship" groping was done by a man.

I sure hope there weren't any instances of a sixth point of fellowship.

[Marcus]

That IS awful. Anyone who used their role as a temple worker to abuse others sexually is a disgusting human being.

You're missing the point. It was a temple ritual. The person administering the initiatory had no choice OTHER THAN to touch the genitals, similar to how a person performing a baptism has no choice OTHER THAN to immerse the person completely.

When genitals stopped being touched, it was only because the higher-ups officially changed the way the ordinance was performed.

My initiatory was performed by a woman, but the "five points of fellowship" groping was done by a man.

I sure hope there weren't any instances of a sixth point of fellowship.

Now you're missing the point. It was an invasive procedure with an already inappropriate set of points, with or without your sixth. The whole thing had no point, if you'll pardon the pun.

[Kishkumen]

You're missing the point. It was a temple ritual. The person administering the initiatory had no choice OTHER THAN to touch the genitals, similar to how a person performing a baptism has no choice OTHER THAN to immerse the person completely.

When genitals stopped being touched, it was only because the higher-ups officially changed the way the ordinance was performed.

Yeah, I gathered that, but it seems to have continued illicitly for some people.

[Dr. Shades]

I sure hope there weren't any instances of a sixth point of fellowship.

Now you're missing the point. It was an invasive procedure with an already inappropriate set of points, with or without your sixth.

My statement wasn't meant to overturn or contradict your own.