So, do you know why identity politics was left off the agenda at the Harris rallies?honorentheos wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 2:35 amSo, how would you distinguish an argument supporting agnostic human rights apply in the case of a same-sex couple or transgender person from an argument that it is about the person being transgender or privileging same-sex marriage?
And, does that distinction matter to you?
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I'm glad you see it as interesting, Jersey Girl. And I would be interested in your critique. I have my own criticisms but do think it provides insights of a kind.Jersey Girl wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 2:15 amhonor just did a quick scan of the page on this. It's a response against all the stage theorists I'm familiar with so a competing theory. Thank you for giving me something new to consider!honorentheos wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 1:41 amMoral Foundation Theory suggests those who identify as conservative place high importance on loyalty while progressives don't.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_f ... ons_theory
The Democrats historically have a harder time lining up behind the party candidate than Republicans. In fact the general unity of the party behind Jeffries is one of the bigger surprises of the current Congress.
I doubt I'll ever give up my support of constructivist theory. That said, it's refreshing to see new food for thought!
You know, thinking. Some folks would do well to take a crack at that.
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Let's isolate your words for consideration as to if they are, in fact, a regular feature of Democrat political rallies? Or if they are more likely the narrative pushed by rightwing media sources, shall we?ceeboo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 2:40 amSo, do you know why identity politics was left off the agenda at the Harris rallies?honorentheos wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 2:35 amSo, how would you distinguish an argument supporting agnostic human rights apply in the case of a same-sex couple or transgender person from an argument that it is about the person being transgender or privileging same-sex marriage?
And, does that distinction matter to you?
In my view, the current political party in power has failed the citizens of this country, miserably. In addition to things such as their destructive and divisive obsession with identity politics, race, gender, sexual orientation, and their apparent desire to remove merit from being a thing, I believe their complete and literally insane failure to secure the border, for years on end, has been, by a large margin, the most egregious failure of all.
So, juxtapose that with Harris' most recent speech:
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Kamala Harris (00:14):
Oh, I love this city. I just love this city of brotherly love. We’re doing this. We need a medic. We need a medic. We need a medic. Sounds like we need a medic.
Crowd (00:42):
MVP. MVP. MVP. MVP. MVP.
Kamala Harris (00:46):
Thank you all. Well hold on everybody. Hold on. We need a medic over there. Do we have somebody? Part the way? So we got a medic over there? Okay. All right. That’s what we do. We look out for each other. You got that right. Are we good? Hold on, let’s just make sure that’s handled.
Crowd (01:27):
Philadelphia vote for Kamala.
Kamala Harris (01:33):
All right. Do we have a medic over there? Okay, let’s handle that first. I have time.
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Okay. All right. Hey Philadelphia, it’s good to be back. It’s good to be back. And can we hear for it Coach Butler? Thank you. So Philadelphia, I’ve got a question for you. Are you ready to do this?
Crowd (02:14):
Yes.
Kamala Harris (02:14):
Are we going to do this?
Crowd (02:14):
Yes.
Kamala Harris (02:14):
Yes. Are we ready to vote?
Crowd (02:14):
Yes.
Kamala Harris (02:14):
Are we ready to win?
Crowd (02:14):
Yes.
Kamala Harris (02:25):
It’s good to be back. So I want to thank all the incredible leaders who are here. I want to start with your mayor, Parker. Where are you mayor? A phenomenal leader. She has been an extraordinary friend. Speaker, McClinton. McClinton, thank you. Representatives, Dean and Scanlon. Thank you. And let’s send Bob Casey back to the United States Senate. And to all the community and elected leaders here, I thank you I had a chance to visit with many of you this afternoon. I thank you for the leadership you provide-
Crowd (03:06):
We love you.
Kamala Harris (03:06):
... in so many ways. And I love you back. I love you back. So to everyone here, I thank you. I thank you because you have taken time this afternoon, this Sunday afternoon out of your busy lives for us to all be here together under one roof to make the point that we are all in this together. We are all in this together. And we are all here together because we also understand how high the stakes are at this very moment. Philadelphia, we’ve got nine days. Nine days. Nine days left in one of the most consequential elections of our lifetime. And we know this is going to be a tight race until the very end. So we have a lot of work ahead of us, but we like hard work. Hard work is good work. Hard work is joyful work. And make no mistake, we will win. We will win. We will win. We will win.
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And we will because here’s how I think about it. When you know what you stand for, you know what to fight for. And this election is about two extremely different visions for our nation. One, Donald Trump’s who is focused on the past and himself.
Crowd (04:48):
We’re not going back. We’re not going back. We’re not going back.
Kamala Harris (04:49):
And we are not going back.
Crowd (04:49):
We’re not going back. We’re not going back.
Kamala Harris (05:04):
We’re not going back. And here’s why, here’s why because we are focused on the future and we are focused on the needs of the American people as opposed to a Donald Trump who spends full time looking in the mirror focused on himself. Hey, you know what? Hold on a second. Listen, no, hold on, hold on. I want to talk about Gaza for a minute. I want to talk about Gaza for a minute. Okay? We can and we must seize this opportunity to end this war and bring the hostages home. And I will do everything in my power to meet that end.
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And we are here because we are fighting for a democracy and we respect the voices of all people. And we’ve got a job to do in the next nine days to fight for this democracy we love. Nine days. And we understand we have an opportunity before us to turn the page on the fear and the divisiveness that have characterized our politics for a decade because of Donald Trump. We have the ability to turn the page on that same old tired playbook because we are exhausted with it and we are ready to chart a new way forward. And yes, we will be joyful in the process. Yes, we like to laugh. Yes, we know that when you care about the people and you understand what you are fighting for, there is joy in that fight. And that is why we are all in this together.
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We are fighting for our future of our nation where we tap into the ambitions and the aspirations and the dreams of the American people. We are a new generation of leadership that is optimistic and excited about what our nation can do together. And the great thing about living in a democracy as long as we keep it, is that we the people have the power to choose the direction of our country and its leadership. The power is with the people.
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And from the beginning, our campaign has been about building coalitions and building community. Look, over the next nine days, like I said, we are going to win. That is our highest order. But through that process, to all the friends here, I say, let’s be intentional about building community. Let’s be intentional about building coalitions. Let’s be intentional about understanding we all have so much more in common than what separates us. We will be the better for it. That’s what our campaign is about because we know we are all in this together. We have so much more in common than what separates us. And we are going to fight for the country we love. And that is why we are all here together because we love our country. We love our country. And you got to fight for the thing you love. You got to fight for the thing you love.
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And I do believe it is one of the highest forms of patriotism, the expression of the love of our country to then fight for its ideals. It is the highest form of patriotism, and one of the most powerful ways we do that is with our vote. So, all right, so everybody’s here because you’re prepared to do the work. So here we are. From now until election day, we are going to get out the vote here in Pennsylvania, and if you’ll give me a minute, I really right now want to speak to the young leaders who are here. Is Gen Z in the house? Who’s voting for their first time in the first election. All right?
(11:10)
Now here’s the thing I love about you, young leaders. You know you are rightly impatient for change. You are rightly impatient. You who have only known the climate crisis. You are leaders in what we need to do to protect our planet. You who grew up with active shooter drills, you know what we have to do to fight for safety in our schools. You who right now know fewer rights than your mothers and grandmothers, understand the importance of fighting for the right of a woman to make decisions about her own body and not have her government tell her what to do. And this is why I love you, the young leaders who are here, because for you, this is not theoretical, this is not political, this is not about some debate, it is about your lived experience. And you are here, and I see you because I see your power, and you are here because you know your power. And I am so proud of you and everyone let us applaud our young leaders, our first-time voters. Let’s applaud them. Let’s applaud them. Let’s applaud them.
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So Philadelphia, we have nine days, nine days to get this done. And for the next nine days, no one can sit on the sidelines. There is too much on the line, and we must not wake up the day after the election and have any regrets about what we could have done in these next nine days. So let’s spend these next nine days knowing we did everything we could. That we connected with each other, with our neighbors. That we went up to perfect strangers in the grocery store and said, you know what? I see you. Let’s approach this moment in a way that in the face of a stranger, we see a neighbor, and let’s talk with each other about what we have in common. Let’s build community and let’s knock on doors, let’s text and call potential voters. Let’s reach out to our family and our friends and our classmates and our neighbors. Tell them about the stakes in this election and tell them about their power. So we are going to get folks to the polls and we are going to make our voices heard.
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And let’s give folks some important information. Wait, let’s start with the basics, okay? Election day is Tuesday, November 5th. I’m serious. Everybody’s busy. Let’s start with that. Let folks know you can vote then or you can vote early from today through Tuesday, October 29th, that’s two days from now. So now is the time to vote early. Get it done tomorrow if you can. Go to Iwillvote.com, if you need information about where you vote. And if you have received your ballot in the mail, do not wait. Fill it out today. Because the election is here, and the choice Philadelphia is truly in your hands. The path to victory runs right through all the leaders who are here. Through all of you. And your vote is your voice and your voice is your power. So today, Philadelphia, I ask you, are you ready to make your voices heard?
Crowd (15:46):
Yes.
Kamala Harris (15:49):
Do we believe in freedom?
Crowd (15:51):
Yes.
Kamala Harris (15:54):
Do we believe in opportunity?
Crowd (15:57):
Yes.
Kamala Harris (15:57):
Do we believe in the promise of America?
Crowd (16:00):
Yes.
Kamala Harris (16:00):
And are we ready to fight for it?
Crowd (16:04):
Yes.
Kamala Harris (16:06):
And when we fight-
Crowd (16:07):
We win.
Kamala Harris (16:08):
... we win. God bless you. God bless the United States of America.
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So seems like the identity politics agenda isn't the agenda here, is it? So where did you get that idea since it wasn't from seeking sincere understanding while crying about being victimized?
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Because “identity politics” isn’t the bogeyman the right makes it out to be. Both parties do it. One pretends that it doesn’t.ceeboo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 2:40 amSo, do you know why identity politics was left off the agenda at the Harris rallies?honorentheos wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 2:35 amSo, how would you distinguish an argument supporting agnostic human rights apply in the case of a same-sex couple or transgender person from an argument that it is about the person being transgender or privileging same-sex marriage?
And, does that distinction matter to you?
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So seems like you are having some significant difficulties with comprehension.honorentheos wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 2:55 amSo seems like the identity politics agenda isn't the agenda here, is it? So where did you get that idea since it wasn't from seeking sincere understanding while crying about being victimized?
I said that I know why identity politics were intentionally left off the agenda at Harris rallies and you just spent a ton off effort and posted a wall of text that provides evidence that it was left off the agenda.
Lol.
Again, I know why - the question is do you know why identity politics were left off the agenda?
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It wasn't left off as it was never part of it. Not the ideas you claim, anyway. As pointed out, it isn't part of the agenda except in rightwing outrage messaging. And you think that because you are told to think it.ceeboo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 3:04 amSo seems like you are having some significant difficulties with comprehension.honorentheos wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 2:55 amSo seems like the identity politics agenda isn't the agenda here, is it? So where did you get that idea since it wasn't from seeking sincere understanding while crying about being victimized?
I said that I know why identity politics were intentionally left off the agenda at Harris rallies and you just spent a ton off effort and posted a wall of text that provides evidence that it was left off the agenda.
Lol.
Again, I know why - the question is do you know why identity politics were left off the agenda?
So, how would you know the difference between someone pushing identity politics from someone arguing agnostically for better application of human rights?
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Right now, ceebs, you are making the equivalent argument as the folks claiming Democrats sacrifice babies in the basement of pizza parlors. Your belief didn't originate from the source but from the propaganda you consume.
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A post authored by you - about 20 minutes ago:honorentheos wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 3:08 amIt wasn't left off as it was never part of it.ceeboo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 3:04 amSo seems like you are having some significant difficulties with comprehension.
I said that I know why identity politics were intentionally left off the agenda at Harris rallies and you just spent a ton off effort and posted a wall of text that provides evidence that it was left off the agenda.
Lol.
Again, I know why - the question is do you know why identity politics were left off the agenda?
Unbelievabvle!honorentheos wrote:Ceeboo may think this is all Democrats pushing identity politics but he'd probably wonder why it was left off the agenda in most Democrat rallies.
Lol.
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Thank goodness that America is fortunate enough to have Americans amongst us, like you, that doesn't consume political propaganda.honorentheos wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 3:12 amRight now, ceebs, you are making the equivalent argument as the folks claiming Democrats sacrifice babies in the basement of pizza parlors. Your belief didn't originate from the source but from the propaganda you consume.
Lol.