Most Californians actually would prefer seceding and just remain on friendly terms with the U.S. If Trump continues to be divisive and dictatorial, there may very well be a new independent country called California.
You don't think Trump would pull an Abraham Lincoln and forcibly bring it back into the Union?
Well, Trump supported the right of Texas to secede when Biden was President: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/do ... r-BB1hEDIy Trump has said time and time again, that he is a staunch supporter of state rights over federal rights.
And we know Donald J. Trump is fair, honest and unhypocritical. So, I can't possibly imagine that after publicly supporting the right of Texas to secede, he would challenge California in doing the same.
"I'm on paid sabbatical from BYU in exchange for my promise to use this time to finish two books."
You don't think Trump would pull an Abraham Lincoln and forcibly bring it back into the Union?
Well, Trump supported the right of Texas to secede when Biden was President: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/do ... r-BB1hEDIy Trump has said time and time again, that he is a staunch supporter of state rights over federal rights.
And we know Donald J. Trump is fair, honest and unhypocritical. So, I can't possibly imagine that after publicly supporting the right of Texas to secede, he would challenge California in doing the same.
In California 4. 8 million people voted for Steve Garvey to become a senator and 6.8 million voted for Adam Schiff. Those who voted for Garvey would not allow the state to secede. They would interfere with that plan in every way they possibly could. And In a way, it’s something that Trump would seize upon for his own political purpose.
James McPherson wrote a book called Abraham Lincoln and the Second American Revolution. If I remember correctly he wrote that the first American Revolution shifted power from England to the American south, and the second American Revolution ( Civil War) shifted power from the south to the north.
Lincoln always referred to the seccession of the southern states as a rebellion. Thank goodness for Lincoln and those who influenced him because during the rebellion America still had an election and in 1864, his top Union general George McClellan ran against him as a Democrat. Lincoln won with 212 electoral votes with McClellan getting 21. Lincoln had 55% of the popular vote.
Will there be a third American Revolution? I’m sure many on the Trump's side think so at this time.
What if Dead Pool ran for President? He would have that Trump factor going for him: people would remember his sword-slashing and mayhem. Plus, he is good with insults.
I suspect you are overreacting to the election. Perhaps shut off Rachel Maddow and the other purveyors of what really appears to be a bizarre dystopian prediction. They're just pushing fear porn on you because their media is going away and your team doesn't have a good alternative at this point. Besides, Trump already showed how he governs and it was him trying to stamp his name on everything. We survived. It doesn't have to be a civil war or session just because your bogey man won. The democrats will probably win back the House and or Senate in 2026 thereby stopping whatever dictatorship you believe is coming. Then two years after that Trump will leave just like he did on Jan 20, 2021.
I fervently hope you're right about that, but it has long been true that extremely conservative Republicans have been working hard to purge from the voting roles any and all who they think will be unlikely to vote for them, and I am confident that with Republicans having a majority in all three branches of our government, they will be sure to at least redouble those efforts during Trump's administration. It is already true that a majority of elected government officials represent a minority of the electorate, due to gerrymandering and other machinations to unfairly limit the influence of any with whom they disagree, especially if they outnumber those who actually agree with them. Trump, at this point, couldn't care less about how many oppose him and his actions because he knows that he is constitutionally prohibited from ever running for President again, though I wouldn't be surprised if he tries to find some way, whether legal or not, to effectively nullify or ignore that prohibition.
I suspect, though, there is a high probability that he is in poor enough health that he won't live long enough to run again, even if it were legal. I think there is an even higher probability that he will lose enough mental capacity before the end of his term to even function adequately or rationally. His rapidly diminishing cognitive capacity is already noticeable and alarming to even some of his most prominent supporters.
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No precept or claim is more suspect or more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
I suspect, though, there is a high probability that he is in poor enough health that he won't live long enough to run again, even if it were legal. I think there is an even higher probability that he will lose enough mental capacity before the end of his term to even function adequately or rationally. His rapidly diminishing cognitive capacity is already noticeable and alarming to even some of his most prominent supporters.
Then we'll end up with JD Vance as President. Whew! I feel better already.
LIGHT HAS A NAME
We only get stronger when we are lifting something that is heavier than what we are used to. ~ KF
I suspect, though, there is a high probability that he is in poor enough health that he won't live long enough to run again, even if it were legal. I think there is an even higher probability that he will lose enough mental capacity before the end of his term to even function adequately or rationally. His rapidly diminishing cognitive capacity is already noticeable and alarming to even some of his most prominent supporters.
Then we'll end up with JD Vance as President. Whew! I feel better already.
Yeah, I agree that JD Vance as President would be at least as bad, and probably even worse than Trump, and even more alarming, he would be eligible to run again! .
No precept or claim is more suspect or more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
Then we'll end up with JD Vance as President. Whew! I feel better already.
Yeah, I agree that JD Vance as President would be at least as bad, and probably even worse than Trump, and even more alarming, he would be eligible to run again! .
That's good to hear!
LIGHT HAS A NAME
We only get stronger when we are lifting something that is heavier than what we are used to. ~ KF
Only if he is sure to screw things up badly enough to incur the rath of even the majority hard-right conservatives.
No precept or claim is more suspect or more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
Only if he is sure to screw things up badly enough to incur the rath of even the majority hard-right conservatives.
You could have had Sheldon Whitehouse as Biden's VP. But he didn't meet Obama's intersectional requirements.
And when the Confederates saw Jackson standing fearless like a stonewall, the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
Only if he is sure to screw things up badly enough to incur the rath of even the majority hard-right conservatives.
You could have had Sheldon Whitehouse as Biden's VP. But he didn't meet Obama's intersectional requirements.
I thoroughly agree that we could have and should have had Sheldon Whitehouse as Biden's VP, if not the actual Presidential candidate. This is one of the most intelligent things I have ever seen you post!
No precept or claim is more suspect or more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
