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History should inform you that despots aren’t reasonable and rational people. They don’t “stop” even if they say they will stop. Hitler signed an agreement with the West to not invade Poland, shortly before invading Poland. Putin is invading Ukraine because he was allowed to take Crimea without anyone lifting a finger to stop him. The West did nothing, same as with Hitler and Czechoslovakia.
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Dr Exiled wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:27 pm
How about let's stop the wars and stop demonizing the Palestinians, Iranians, Russians, and Chinese. Let's audit the DoD and all the aid we send to foreign countries. I don't believe we need a $Trillion DoD budget every year and we don't need to perhaps need to be smarter with our foreign aid. Julian Assange says these wars is just a way to wash money via foreign countries and then back into the defense industry. Foreign aid is perhaps the same thing. Is Assange's take a valid one, and if so, Is that where we want our resources to go?

Trump negotiating a peace between Russia and Ukraine is a good thing, however, the devil is always in the details. Also, Trump needs to do the same thing in the middle east. Greater Israel should not be a goal of anyone. Let's try getting along with the Iranians and others in the middle east instead of allowing Israel to continue to provoke and commit genocide.

I know this seems pollyanna like wishes. But we need to start somewhere.
It seems reasonable to me as a US taxpayer to call out the foolishness of the fact that we're funding both the Palestinians and the Israelis in the current conflict in the middle east. Having grown up in the 80s when my father was a top rocket scientist, it seems so bizarre now to hear Democrats defending military spending in foreign conflicts because it funds jobs for Americans who build the weapons.
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Gadianton wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:13 pm
Dr. Shades wrote:How much more are you willing to increase the deficit on Ukraine's behalf?
Great question. But first we need to know how much the deficit has increased in response to Ukraine so far. I'm sure that number is clear in your mind since you're so concerned about it. Would you please provide that number?
I don't know the number. But we're running on a deficit, so whatever the amount we've given them has the opportunity cost of that much money NOT being used to pay down the deficit, thus causing its compound interest to increase.
I Have Questions wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:38 pm
History should inform you that despots aren’t reasonable and rational people. They don’t “stop” even if they say they will stop. Hitler signed an agreement with the West to not invade Poland, shortly before invading Poland.
No, he signed an agreement that he had no more territorial ambitions, which isn't quite the same thing. He violated the Munich agreement by occupying the remainder of Czechoslovakia, not by invading Poland.
Putin is invading Ukraine because he was allowed to take Crimea without anyone lifting a finger to stop him. The West did nothing, same as with Hitler and Czechoslovakia.
The West entered into an alliance with Poland, which counts as doing something. They would've been better off doing nothing, because that alliance dragged them into World War II.
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Dr. Shades wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2024 4:01 pm
Gadianton wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:13 pm
Great question. But first we need to know how much the deficit has increased in response to Ukraine so far. I'm sure that number is clear in your mind since you're so concerned about it. Would you please provide that number?
I don't know the number.
Hey Shades!

Depending on who is providing the number, the US has sent between 115 billion to 175 billion to Ukraine. . . so far.
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ceeboo wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2024 4:08 pm
Dr. Shades wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2024 4:01 pm
I don't know the number.
Hey Shades!

Depending on who is providing the number, the US has sent between 115 billion to 175 billion to Ukraine. . . so far.
That's insane. How many homeless Americans could've been housed with that money, and for how long?
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Dr. Shades wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2024 4:11 pm
ceeboo wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2024 4:08 pm
Hey Shades!

Depending on who is providing the number, the US has sent between 115 billion to 175 billion to Ukraine. . . so far.
That's insane.
Yep.
How many homeless Americans could've been housed with that money, and for how long?
Yep.
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ajax18 wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:41 pm
Dr Exiled wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:27 pm
How about let's stop the wars and stop demonizing the Palestinians, Iranians, Russians, and Chinese. Let's audit the DoD and all the aid we send to foreign countries. I don't believe we need a $Trillion DoD budget every year and we don't need to perhaps need to be smarter with our foreign aid. Julian Assange says these wars is just a way to wash money via foreign countries and then back into the defense industry. Foreign aid is perhaps the same thing. Is Assange's take a valid one, and if so, Is that where we want our resources to go?

Trump negotiating a peace between Russia and Ukraine is a good thing, however, the devil is always in the details. Also, Trump needs to do the same thing in the middle east. Greater Israel should not be a goal of anyone. Let's try getting along with the Iranians and others in the middle east instead of allowing Israel to continue to provoke and commit genocide.

I know this seems pollyanna like wishes. But we need to start somewhere.
It seems reasonable to me as a US taxpayer to call out the foolishness of the fact that we're funding both the Palestinians and the Israelis in the current conflict in the middle east. Having grown up in the 80s when my father was a top rocket scientist, it seems so bizarre now to hear Democrats defending military spending in foreign conflicts because it funds jobs for Americans who build the weapons.
We really need to have an in depth audit to see where all this money is going. Funding both sides is a typical move by defense contractors. I don't know if we are funding the Palestinians, but I wouldn't be surprised. The Bushes and other American companies funded Hitler while we were funding lend lease to the British. War is profitable for a select few, however, we need to go away from a war economy for the benefit of the rest of us, and hopefully people in power will finally realize this.
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I Have Questions wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:38 pm
History should inform you that despots aren’t reasonable and rational people. They don’t “stop” even if they say they will stop. Hitler signed an agreement with the West to not invade Poland, shortly before invading Poland. Putin is invading Ukraine because he was allowed to take Crimea without anyone lifting a finger to stop him. The West did nothing, same as with Hitler and Czechoslovakia.
That is the NATO view certainly.

Here is an alternative view: https://www.theamericanconservative.com ... inian-war/

And of course the view from that "devil" Professor Mearsheimer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qciVozNtCDM
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Many countries annexed parts of Czechoslovakia in 1938: Germany, Hungary and even Poland.

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From Google Gemini:

"Zaolzie

Poland annexed the Czechoslovak region of Zaolzie, which was home to a Polish minority. The Munich Agreement validated this annexation.

Český Těšín

Poland annexed the town of Český Těšín and the surrounding area, which was about 350 square miles and had a population of about 250,000.

Spiš and Orava

Poland annexed two minor border areas in northern Slovakia, in the regions of Spiš and Orava.

In 1939, Nazi Germany invaded Poland and Zaolzie became part of Nazi Germany."
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ceeboo wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2024 4:13 pm
Dr. Shades wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2024 4:11 pm
That's insane.
Yep.
How many homeless Americans could've been housed with that money, and for how long?
Yep.
Unfortunately, it’s harder to build houses than buy weapons, and sometimes harder still to get someone to live in one.
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