The Real Reason why Trump won

[canpakes]

Thanks for posting that. I don't know that I always agree with Sam Harris, he likes to do a bit both sides when they aren't equal, …

100% this. I like Sam, but there are times where his ideological prejudices have him arguing straw men or failing to honestly address the actual root cause and facts of an issue.

… but it felt like he was the sane voice in this instance. I think Sam is right, Trump isn't an ideologue, we would absolutely be screwed if he were, but yes, really Trump does all these horrible things for inane self-aggrandizing reasons.

To me, Trump sees this nation as a plaything. The citizens within it are to be manipulated for his enjoyment. That’s his mindset.

Best Reality Show Ever, when you get to make the rules and watch the chaos.

[Markk]

In a nutshell, low voter turnout.

It has always been the case that when more people vote, Republicans tend to lose. But so far it looks like there are nearly 15 million fewer people who voted when compared to just 4 years ago.

While the media was hyping up record numbers of early voting, the perception was that this would be indicative of overall votes. While early/mail-in voters tended to be Democrats in 2020 because Republicans were being stupid about COVID and didn't care about creating a super spreader event on Nov 5th. But that wasn't true in 2024.

What caught my attention is that voter turnout was lower for Trump and Kamala both. Roughly 1.4 million fewer Trump supporters in 2024, whereas the Democrat ticket had a whopping 13.1 million fewer votes than in 2020. ...

This is a interesting map, it shows voter turn out over every presidential election. It is interesting and all kinds of data can be gathered from it. One interesting thing I found that the popular vote was not given, at least on this site, until 1824, when John Q. Adams won by losing both the popular vote and the electoral college. Before that election, only the electoral votes are shown.

If we go back and look at the past 10 or so election the popular vote (turn out) is consistent with the 2024 election. The 2020 election seems to be the exception at my first go round. I put a few comments to the right of each number as first thoughts. I would be curious how these numbers stand next to voting age percentages and general population growth. Confidence in ones party candidate is obviously a leading reason folks stay home, the reason for their disillusions is where the debate is in my opinion.


1988 --- 90 million +- (all in millions plus or minus with quick math by head, I think I am close)
1992 --- 104
1996 --- 104
2000 --- 104
2004 --- 121 Jump... Internet? Iraq war hype?
2008 --- 129 Jump... Social media taking off? 24 hour Cable news wars?
2012 --- 128
2016 --- 136 Jump... Social media full bore, and mail in voting push?
2020 --- 157 Jump... Covid, mail in ballots?
2024 --- 151 Decrease post covid, jump from 2016, podcasts?

https://www.270towin.com/historical-pre ... elections/
https://www.google.com/search?q=final+e ... e&ie=UTF-8


For me, I don't think Trump won so much, as the "left" (not Kamala) lost. Trump's base had/has optimism, while the left was just playing defense to a very poor set of candidates, Biden then Harris, while not managing the country or foreign affairs. Denying Bidens health up until it was beyond obvious was the largest mistake. And Harris has absolutely no charisma, personality, or the ability to at least pretend to have a plan to straighten out obvious problems that are building up in our country.

The left will have four years to bash Trump every day, but unless they get a candidate that can excite the moderate base, and if Trump does not screw up too bad, and the economy does not tank and the markets corrects its self....they won't beat Vance.

I also hope we all agree we don't need a war. And, I have to add it is beyond me why Biden allowed the Ukraine to fire our missiles into Russia, and I wonder who made that call at this time. If they are allowing him in his mental decline, that is not good. I hope they see something we can't see.

My two cents.

[ajax18]

I think Sam Harris nails it.

https://youtu.be/4wmfxA8J2B8?t=98

"The difference is, Trump is not ideological. Trump is in the Trump business. Trump just wants wealth and fame essentially, and he wants power in order to secure those things. I think there are very few people who think he wants to create the thousand year Reich. He wants to build condos and play golf. We're talking about a game show host who got marketed for 12 years on television as a brilliant businessman and half the country bought it. A quarter of the country has rallied to him like he's the messiah. And another quarter is just willing to look the other way as he he desecrates the most basic norms of our democracy."

The entire clip needs to be watched as Harris destroys Ben Shapiro and his disingenuous attempt to equate both sides. But that last statement highlighted above is what hits the nail right on the head. Trump had been branded and beloved for a decade on television and despite the mountain of evidence, some people have a hard time seeing him as the threat that he truly is and their confirmation bias kicks in every time he does something that would be political suicide for anyone on the left.

So he raped a woman? Nah, she probably lied about that.

Audio clips of him bragging about sexually assaulting women? Nah, that's probably just locker room talk. But I'll let FOX News get me enraged over Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky's consensual affair.

So he can't pronounce Thailand better than a seven year old and thinks there were airports during the Revolutionary war? Those were slips. But I'll let FOX News get me enraged over Joe Biden's gaffes resulting from his life long struggle with speech impediment.

So he can't get into a truck without falling backwards? Nah, he just slipped. But I'll let FOX News get me enraged over Joe Biden's posture and awkward walking, despite his known battle with spinal arthritis.

So he stole classified documents and tried to covered it up and has dozens of felony indictments finding him guilty on all counts? Nah, it could be Deep State plot to control everything, like they did when they stole the 2020 election but somehow forgot to use that same power to steal the 2024 election. I mean how could my favorite TV show FOX News be lying to me all these years when they basically assure me that there is never a good reason to vote for the Democrats because no amount of unchristian, unethical, unpatriotic, anti-American, morally depraved behavior from the Republican nominee could every justify election a black woman.

I remember the day the audio of Mitt Romney was released, and he made a comment about how half the country he could never win their votes because they want government to take care of them. That effectively destroyed his campaign and would have destroyed his political career entirely if he wasn't a Mormon Senator from Utah. Seems like yesterday to me. I remember exactly where I was on a cruise ship listening to the news about it.

Oh how far we've fallen as a country since that time. And it is because Trump's moral depravity and crimes have been dismissed by a country that was just a few years ago, all up in arms about a black man kneeling quietly before a football game.

I remember how you reveled in Romney suffering a terrible political death back in 2012. Sadly it took another 6 years to get rid of Romney. He couldn't be elected dog catcher in UT valley now. If you think Romney was that much better than Trump, perhaps you shouldn't have been so sleazy and lied so much in the 2012 election. But ultimately Trump won and Romney the moderate lost to Trump the alleged Nazi. If what you said about Trump before the 2024 election were true, democracy would be over now and this was the last election we'll ever have in the USA. But as usual you were just slandering, smearing, and lying about your political opponent. When you lie enough, you start to lose credibility just as the mainstream media has done.

[ajax18]

In a nutshell, low voter turnout.

It has always been the case that when more people vote, Republicans tend to lose. But so far it looks like there are nearly 15 million fewer people who voted when compared to just 4 years ago.

While the media was hyping up record numbers of early voting, the perception was that this would be indicative of overall votes. While early/mail-in voters tended to be Democrats in 2020 because Republicans were being stupid about COVID and didn't care about creating a super spreader event on Nov 5th. But that wasn't true in 2024.

What caught my attention is that voter turnout was lower for Trump and Kamala both. Roughly 1.4 million fewer Trump supporters in 2024, whereas the Democrat ticket had a whopping 13.1 million fewer votes than in 2020. ...

This is a interesting map, it shows voter turn out over every presidential election. It is interesting and all kinds of data can be gathered from it. One interesting thing I found that the popular vote was not given, at least on this site, until 1824, when John Q. Adams won by losing both the popular vote and the electoral college. Before that election, only the electoral votes are shown.

If we go back and look at the past 10 or so election the popular vote (turn out) is consistent with the 2024 election. The 2020 election seems to be the exception at my first go round. I put a few comments to the right of each number as first thoughts. I would be curious how these numbers stand next to voting age percentages and general population growth. Confidence in ones party candidate is obviously a leading reason folks stay home, the reason for their disillusions is where the debate is in my opinion.


1988 --- 90 million +- (all in millions plus or minus with quick math by head, I think I am close)
1992 --- 104
1996 --- 104
2000 --- 104
2004 --- 121 Jump... Internet? Iraq war hype?
2008 --- 129 Jump... Social media taking off? 24 hour Cable news wars?
2012 --- 128
2016 --- 136 Jump... Social media full bore, and mail in voting push?
2020 --- 157 Jump... Covid, mail in ballots?
2024 --- 151 Decrease post covid, jump from 2016, podcasts?

https://www.270towin.com/historical-pre ... elections/
https://www.google.com/search?q=final+e ... e&ie=UTF-8


For me, I don't think Trump won so much, as the "left" (not Kamala) lost. Trump's base had/has optimism, while the left was just playing defense to a very poor set of candidates, Biden then Harris, while not managing the country or foreign affairs. Denying Bidens health up until it was beyond obvious was the largest mistake. And Harris has absolutely no charisma, personality, or the ability to at least pretend to have a plan to straighten out obvious problems that are building up in our country.

The left will have four years to bash Trump every day, but unless they get a candidate that can excite the moderate base, and if Trump does not screw up too bad, and the economy does not tank and the markets corrects its self....they won't beat Vance.

I also hope we all agree we don't need a war. And, I have to add it is beyond me why Biden allowed the Ukraine to fire our missiles into Russia, and I wonder who made that call at this time. If they are allowing him in his mental decline, that is not good. I hope they see something we can't see.

My two cents.

Kamala had an impossible record to defend. Can you name me a Democrat candidate who would have done better? Socialism is very appealing and every generation of Americans will vote for it once. But once the economic suffering sets in it's a lot more difficult to sell democratic socialism to voters. The left still thinks it's just a messaging issue because they can't bear to admit that their policies produce horrendous results for most Americans.

[Markk]

This is a interesting map, it shows voter turn out over every presidential election. It is interesting and all kinds of data can be gathered from it. One interesting thing I found that the popular vote was not given, at least on this site, until 1824, when John Q. Adams won by losing both the popular vote and the electoral college. Before that election, only the electoral votes are shown.

If we go back and look at the past 10 or so election the popular vote (turn out) is consistent with the 2024 election. The 2020 election seems to be the exception at my first go round. I put a few comments to the right of each number as first thoughts. I would be curious how these numbers stand next to voting age percentages and general population growth. Confidence in ones party candidate is obviously a leading reason folks stay home, the reason for their disillusions is where the debate is in my opinion.


1988 --- 90 million +- (all in millions plus or minus with quick math by head, I think I am close)
1992 --- 104
1996 --- 104
2000 --- 104
2004 --- 121 Jump... Internet? Iraq war hype?
2008 --- 129 Jump... Social media taking off? 24 hour Cable news wars?
2012 --- 128
2016 --- 136 Jump... Social media full bore, and mail in voting push?
2020 --- 157 Jump... Covid, mail in ballots?
2024 --- 151 Decrease post covid, jump from 2016, podcasts?

https://www.270towin.com/historical-pre ... elections/
https://www.google.com/search?q=final+e ... e&ie=UTF-8


For me, I don't think Trump won so much, as the "left" (not Kamala) lost. Trump's base had/has optimism, while the left was just playing defense to a very poor set of candidates, Biden then Harris, while not managing the country or foreign affairs. Denying Bidens health up until it was beyond obvious was the largest mistake. And Harris has absolutely no charisma, personality, or the ability to at least pretend to have a plan to straighten out obvious problems that are building up in our country.

The left will have four years to bash Trump every day, but unless they get a candidate that can excite the moderate base, and if Trump does not screw up too bad, and the economy does not tank and the markets corrects its self....they won't beat Vance.

I also hope we all agree we don't need a war. And, I have to add it is beyond me why Biden allowed the Ukraine to fire our missiles into Russia, and I wonder who made that call at this time. If they are allowing him in his mental decline, that is not good. I hope they see something we can't see.

My two cents.

Kamala had an impossible record to defend. Can you name me a Democrat candidate who would have done better? Socialism is very appealing and every generation of Americans will vote for it once. But once the economic suffering sets in it's a lot more difficult to sell democratic socialism to voters. The left still thinks it's just a messaging issue because they can't bear to admit that their policies produce horrendous results for most Americans.

Honestly, I am not sure who the Democratic candidate actually was. Susan Rice, Obama, the Clinton's, all the above? Who is calling the shots then and now? It is fairly clear in my opinion, that Biden and Kamala were and are pawns. It is Nov. 30 2024....who is running our country until Trump takes official power? This is a question as to who is in charge? Is it Jill Biden?

[Markk]

Is VERITAS Kevin G?

[canpakes]

Is VERITAS Kevin G?

No. It’s Susan Rice, Obama, the Clinton's, all the above.

[Markk]

Is VERITAS Kevin G?

No. It’s Susan Rice, Obama, the Clinton's, all the above.

HuH? I asked a honest question CP?

[Vēritās]

I remember how you reveled in Romney suffering a terrible political death back in 2012. Sadly it took another 6 years to get rid of Romney. He couldn't be elected dog catcher in UT valley now. If you think Romney was that much better than Trump, perhaps you shouldn't have been so sleazy and lied so much in the 2012 election. But ultimately Trump won and Romney the moderate lost to Trump the alleged Nazi.

Did you miss the point as usual? Yes, of course you did. The fact is Trump is immune from all the things that would nuke anyone else's political career because he is a cult leader and a celebrity whose famous for being an idiot and an entertainer. Remember the days when sexual assault or even adultery was a deal breaker? Trump is an adjudicated rapist, and has appointed a number of other people with a track record of sexual assault. He was caught on audio bragging about this, and his own wife testified under oath that he violently raped her. How do you folks respond to this? Oh, "move along, nothing to see here" and then you want to talk more about the Monica Lewinsky thing that Rush Limbaugh was obsessed with for more than a decade. Trump was Jeffrey Epstein's closest friend who had a private sex party with him and two dozen other European female "models" at MaraLago. But FOX mentioned this not once, and was instead obsessed with Bill Clinton's plane rides, even though he hasn't been President in decades. Literally everything you folks on the Right pretend to be upset about, Trump is guilty of x 10.

If what you said about Trump before the 2024 election were true, democracy would be over now and this was the last election we'll ever have in the USA.

Literally everything I said about Trump before the election is true. The only person who said this would be the "last election," was Trump himself.

But as usual you were just slandering, smearing, and lying about your political opponent.

Be specific for once in your life and don't tuck tail and run off like you normally do. Name one example of "slandering, smearing, and lying" about Trump. You're back to doing your "look at me everyone, I'm an idiot" thing again.

When you lie enough, you start to lose credibility just as the mainstream media has done.

Again, list the lies. If people in this country truly cared about lies, they wouldn't have elected Trump of all people. The man can't go 20 minutes without lying about something.

[Vēritās]

Kamala had an impossible record to defend.

For sane minded Americas, yes. But for amoral Republican leaning racists? You're probably right. Just imagine if Kamala had to campaign while awaiting sentencing on dozens of felony counts after being found guilty? Imagine if she was busted stealing classified documents and then lying about it. Imagine if she used her office to triple the net wealth of everyone in her immediate family. Imagine if she were a rapist. Imagine if she only hired black people! The list really does go on and on, but it is hilarious listening to someone like you talk about how the Democrats lost because of an "impossible record" to defend.

Trump is a rich white male celebrity and everyone likes to think he's a Christian. There isn't a chance in hell Kamala would be able to defend her record if the resumes were switched. But tell me more about how racism doesn't really exist anymore and neither does white privilege.

Can you name me a Democrat candidate who would have done better?

Anyone with the last name Obama would have mopped the floors with him.

Socialism is very appealing and every generation of Americans will vote for it once.

Socialism had nothing to do with this election. You're an idiot who doesn't even understand what the word means.

But once the economic suffering sets in it's a lot more difficult to sell democratic socialism to voters.

10 of the last 11 recessions have been created by Republican administrations. That isn't a coincidence. And every time a Democrats comes along to put the economy back on track. Biden avoided a recession despite the nightmare he inherited from Trump and his idiotic mishandling of the pandemic. Obama fixed our economy after Bush destroyed it. Clinton oversaw the largest economic expansion in decades after his predecessor put us in recession. The examples go on and on, which is why Trump said the economy does better under Democrats.

The left still thinks it's just a messaging issue because they can't bear to admit that their policies produce horrendous results for most Americans.

This is your wishful thinking. It is a war of messaging and the Right wins because it dominates the blogs, the airwaves, the internet with nonstop BS. I remember reading somewhere that 8 of the top 10 online podcasts are all Right Wing propaganda like Carlson Owens, Bogino, etc.

I mean think about it. For three years all we heard from you was Biden was too old to be President. And then you support Trump at his age for a second term despite videos of his slurring and falling down trying to climb into vehicles, etc. Suddenly age doesn't matter anymore because that was just fake outrage which is all the Right has been about.