LOL sure, New York wants to meet with Trump on Crime and illegal immigration and CA, of all places, pasted a bill where now shoplifting is actually a crime, in that under Bidens watch it was not even enforced.
Do you live in New York? Does this affect you at all? No, of course not. You're just regurgitating Right Wing storylines to create a narrative to justify your manufactured outrage.Markk wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2024 12:57 amLOL sure, New York wants to meet with Trump on Crime and illegal immigration and CA, of all places, pasted a bill where now shoplifting is actually a crime, in that under Bidens watch it was not even enforced.
https://calmatters.org/politics/electio ... on-result/
I have no idea what world you live in.
Well actually I am pointing out how the democratic mayor of the largest city in the US is seeking a sit down with the Trump appointee seeking help for illegal immigration and crime. I suppose he could have asked the current administration, but as far as I know he did not. If he did, apparently without recourse.Do you live in New York? Does this affect you at all? No, of course not. You're just regurgitating Right Wing storylines to create a narrative to justify your manufactured outrage.
You answered your own question. You think these things are very important, therefore you are making up a policy agenda that doesn't actually exist and assigning it to "your guy".Mark wrote:How am i just making this stuff up? I think those things are every important.
The revealed tools for the job (including the Fox News cabinet) so far don't have a snowballs chance in hell of achieving your invented agenda list. The two biggest known policy tools from Trump are 1) mass deportations and 2) tariffs. Neither of which will solve any of your listed issues and will substantially aggravate inflation. If you want a return of manufacturing, your best bet is Biden, but he's only got a couple of months left.I certainly hope he has the means and the folks to help straighten things out, don't you?
Well it does, if they were not in New York, were would the be? If illegal Immigration adds to the economy, as you have championed, why is there an issue in NY. Or is it in your opinion only border states should bear the monetary burdens? Which would make sense with your mindset that if you do not live in that state, it does not affect you.Veritas wrote...One specific situation in New York city, created by an idiotic strategy of bussing thousands of migrants there and dropping them off, is not even close to being representative of the immigration situation nationwide.
First I said crime overall. Secondly speaking about here in CA, more and more crimes are not even being reported, especially shoplifting and other misdemeanors. I read that is similar in other large cities, and thirdly....we will see if violent crimes has dropped once we get a complete accounting of the FBI. There data keeps changing. Either way a drop in violent crime does not mean Violent crime is not an issue. It is a huge concern to most Americans, especially in large cites and southern border cites, prop 36 is one testimony of that.It is like ignoring the fact that violent crimes have dropped dramatically under Biden by responding with a news clip about some serial killer in some city.
LOL, you mean the "things" I linked too, discussed and explained...which you obviously do not want to opine on.Gadianton wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2024 3:17 pmYou answered your own question. You think these things are very important, therefore you are making up a policy agenda that doesn't actually exist and assigning it to "your guy".Mark wrote:How am i just making this stuff up? I think those things are every important.
The revealed tools for the job (including the Fox News cabinet) so far don't have a snowballs chance in hell of achieving your invented agenda list. The two biggest known policy tools from Trump are 1) mass deportations and 2) tariffs. Neither of which will solve any of your listed issues and will substantially aggravate inflation. If you want a return of manufacturing, your best bet is Biden, but he's only got a couple of months left.I certainly hope he has the means and the folks to help straighten things out, don't you?
Trump's plan so far is hype and mayhem. Yes, if Trump has been anointed by Jesus (as you probably believe) then he might yet be successful, but your kind of hope is like hoping I'll become a millionaire next year because my company will give me a 200$ an hour raise. Sure, why not, I hope that happens, just like I hope Trump brings world peace and economic prosperity to all.
I never said it allows it. That is a straw-man it makes stealing less that $950 dollars of less it is a misdemeanor and just a citation at best. It is a free for all. It is why you have to ask for more selected items being looked up in our stores. It is why stores are just closing in many low income and safe cities for immigrants.Veritas...Regarding California, this is another viral lie created by Right Wing propaganda. You're just too easily duped.
Viral street signs not proof that theft is legal in California | Fact check
No, California Proposition 47 doesn't allow you to steal $950 in store items | Fact check
No I will just point out your straw-man and you inability to read what the proposition states. Or research the out of control shoplifting epidemic in our country. There is a joke that Elevator type music in So Ca stores is "shoplifting music."Now are you going to argue that any of the points you listed are easily defended by Republican side, or are you going to tuck tail and run like ajax does?
Well, in my opinion that just shows how narrowing minded you are, and I doubt you even watched and read the ABC report. I did not just throw it up, I linked it to you, after your request, for a hopeful response as to what the facts were, which the Mayor of New York was presenting to his city.Come on now Markk, you're greatest attributes here are your willingness to devote longwinded point by point responses and your willingness to humiliate yourself. Don't fail us now. Throwing up a news clip about one situation in a specific city doesn't even begin to count as an intelligent or well thought out response to me presenting the hard fact that illegal immigration numbers have been declining dramatically under Biden and that immigrants were more likely to be deported under Biden than Trump.
When people come here illegally they typically visit friends and family who are already here, which can be anywhere. If not, then they disperse all over the place, they don't hop on a bus and crash one city. The problem you're alluding do was created by bussing thousands of them to one specific place and they dropping them off. DeSantis did this because he used their suffering to create a talking point. Dumped migrants in the streets of New York in the dead of winter for them to freeze to death after lying to them saying they were being transported to their new jobs.Markk wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2024 3:25 pmWell it does, if they were not in New York, were would the be?Veritas wrote...One specific situation in New York city, created by an idiotic strategy of bussing thousands of migrants there and dropping them off, is not even close to being representative of the immigration situation nationwide.
I've explained it twice now.If illegal Immigration adds to the economy, as you have championed, why is there an issue in NY.
If illegal immigration is such a burden as you "champion," they why are they solely responsible for reviving America's ghost towns? Why are some states and towns encouraging them to come?Or is it in your opinion only border states should bear the monetary burdens?
Which is down under Biden, and was much higher under Trump. So how could it be a legitimate talking point for anyone other than Kamala Harris? Democrats suck at messaging. They have all the facts on their side on virtually all of the issues, but they suck at getting the message across because 1. they just suck at it and 2. they're up against a relentless propaganda machine run by dishonest Republicans who care only about obtaining power at the expense of truth and integrity.First I said crime overall.
This is a really dumbass excuse made up from whole cloth, to explain away the fact that crime is down. "It's because nobody is reporting crime anymore." Only those predisposed to believing Right Wing BS are so easily manipulated.Secondly speaking about here in CA, more and more crimes are not even being reported, especially shoplifting and other misdemeanors.
CFR that it is a "huge concern to most Americans." You fall for the same Right Win g trap. FOX News needs a negative talkin g point so they press a narrative such as this onto their viewers to get them all riled up and pissed off. A month later do do a survey of their own viewers to ask them what upsets them, and then they say "Most Americans are upset about this." Uh, no. Only some Americans are upset, and they're only upset because it is a manufactured narrative pushed onto them by the same networks reporting on it.It is a huge concern to most Americans, especially in large cites and southern border cites, prop 36 is one testimony of that.
What you said was incoherent at best and I had to infer from your word salad what you actually meant: "pasted a bill where now shoplifting is actually a crime, in that under Bidens watch it was not even enforced."
Another lie. When someone can be prosecuted and spend up to 6 months in jail, it isn't a "free for all." Your a victim of the usual Right Wing propaganda again. https://youtu.be/O8ubL81NdiQ?t=80It is a free for all. It is why you have to ask for more selected items being looked up in our stores. It is why stores are just closing in many low income and safe cities for immigrants.
Those are corporate policies that are being violated by employees, and has nothing to do with Biden/Harris. Moreover, it is a lie that Home Depot doesn't prosecute shoplifters. You probably heard an anecdote of a shoplifter not being prosecuted because there was no video evidence proving it, but the policy is to prosecute when caught in the store.Also Home depots and Lowes, which I frequent almost daily, do not even in force shoplifting in many stores. In fact employees are fired if the try to stop shop lifters.
Does Home Depot Prosecute Shoplifters?
It is company policy to prosecute shoplifters who are apprehended in the store. To press charges, the store manager usually needs to be able to produce video evidence of the crime. Those who are successfully prosecuted will receive a criminal record and may face jail time.
Companies taking measures to minimize theft as they have done for decades, is now somehow Biden/Harris problem? At this point you're just ranting off talking points with no idea how it even makes a point related to what I asked.Many people may be able to go to the supermarket and buy Tide laundry detergent without asking for the clerk to unlock the shelf and be ushered up to the check out stand. I will be happy if I no longer have to do the same for tools at Lowes.
Read above. You've been completely schooled on this subject. You're repeating lies that have been debunked for years.Simply classic. So at least you agree these people are here illegally. Is that a privilege IYO? Why should Florida bear the burden and not other states like NY? In your mind it is Florida's fault and not the person that is here illegally, I assume.When people come here illegally they typically visit friends and family who are already here, which can be anywhere. If not, then they disperse all over the place, they don't hop on a bus and crash one city. The problem you're alluding do was created by bussing thousands of them to one specific place and they dropping them off. DeSantis did this because he used their suffering to create a talking point. Dumped migrants in the streets of New York in the dead of winter for them to freeze to death after lying to them saying they were being transported to their new jobs.