Defining Progressivism

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OK, Hound hasn’t started the Parade of Random Internet Videos from Internet Randos yet, so I’ll get things going and will drop something into the thread, to shine a light on … Evil Woke Science..!

OU biologists: Science does not support rejection of transgender or nonbinary people

A. Bentz, A. Berkowitz, E. Bridge, C. Gordon, H. Ketchum, and K. Willis
April 24, 2022

There’s been a considerable amount of news lately over the question of what defines a woman. Sen. James Lankford and others have indicated that the answer to this question is simple, with the implication that anyone who hesitates to define “woman” is either undereducated or delusional.

Well, we are faculty members at the University of Oklahoma who teach anatomy and physiology. We hope we are offering a perspective that is both educated and grounded in reality when we state that a single, simple definition for “woman” is not tenable.

Take, for example, Madison Cawthorn’s definition of a woman (“XX chromosomes, no tallywacker”). Although it scores points for simplicity, this definition would not apply well to everyone. About 1.7% of people are intersex — according to "Sexing the Body" by Anne Fausto-Sterling — which means that their genitals are in between typically male and typically female and/or they have a mismatch between their chromosomes, gonads, and/or genitals. If you would like to acquaint yourself with one of these people, check out Emily Quinn’s TED talks.

Moreover, there is now evidence (see Neuroscience and Behavioral Reviews, Vol 122: pg 165-175) that most people's brains have some physical features that are more typically female and others that are more typically male, regardless of whether they consider themselves women, men or nonbinary, and regardless of whether they are cisgender or transgender. If our brains largely define who we are, and our brains are not binary, then defining “woman” is a tricky proposition.

Presumably, the primary targets of the “define woman” rhetoric are people who are transgender, nonbinary or intersex — those who may be psychologically aligned with a gender that does not agree with the sex assigned to them at birth. Many seek to undermine the legitimacy of these people by claiming that their identity is somehow a rejection of the science of biology, but this claim is misguided.

As biologists we try to shed light on complexity and variation, not to limit what is socially acceptable with regard to gender roles. We think that we speak for the vast majority of experts on human biology when we say that science DOES NOT support the rejection of transgender or nonbinary people; nor does it warrant any objection to them presenting their preferred gender in our society.

In her Supreme Court justice confirmation hearing, Ketanji Brown Jackson shied away from defining “woman,” stating, “I’m not a biologist.” We want to make it clear that an adequate definition is not so easy for professional biologists either.

A. Bentz, A. Berkowitz, E. Bridge, C. Gordon, H. Ketchum and K. Willis teach anatomy and physiology at the University of Oklahoma.

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/opinion ... 356668001/
Damn those Evil Woke Scientists! with their Evil Woke Science! Why can’t science just conform to what I want it to be?
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It looks a bit as if HoH is puzzled by requests to explain what he means by 'progressivism'.

When I make that request, what I want is for him to write a few words setting out a clear idea of what, for him at least, this thing he calls 'progressivism' means. Like, for instance:

"Communism is a sociopolitical, philosophical, and economic ideology within the socialist movement, whose goal is the creation of a communist society, a socioeconomic order centered on common ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange that allocates products in society based on need."

You might think that 'communism' really means something quite different from that, but if I was to give that definition in response to the question "What do you mean by communism?", you would have a pretty good idea of what I meant by "communism".

Now HoH: please following that model, please explain what you mean by 'progressivism'.
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https://youtu.be/qaU7zWIv-pM?si=hEZTQ21P9CYsD4Qo

Gunnar, this video features a trans woman discussing her experience of being canceled by the progressive community, despite identifying as a progressive herself.

Here are several points she presents in the video that I wholeheartedly support. She highlights that the extremists in the progressive movement are aligning themselves with actual terrorists.

She emphasizes that in the discussion surrounding trans children, the progressive stance is for parents to remain silent and heed the voices of those making decisions for trans kids.

She emphasizes the importance of returning to science and reality in discussions about trans issues related to children.

She believes that others see progressives as unlikable individuals.

She refers to the team as progressive, but in reality, it's more like team burn everything down!

She claims that the radical progressive movement over the last decade has turned against Western values, white individuals, Jewish communities, and men.

Anyone who opposes them is quickly branded as an evil right-winger and ultimately labeled as a Nazi.

She accurately observes that progressivism and socialism represent cultural dead ends that are unlikely to advance any further in America.

Brianna Wu, the trans woman featured in this video, faced a barrage of insults and was branded a right winger simply for daring to express a viewpoint that diverged from the prevailing narrative of extreme progressivism. Now, Gunnar, I want you to focus intently on Molok, Canpakes, and Schmo. They have no choice but to tarnish this person's reputation.

Upon reading this, they will likely turn to Google in search of information that portrays this individual unfavorably, as someone who simply seeks to criticize others. Canpakes will particularly be looking up Google for the most unpleasant information about Brianna so that it can be shared here in the thread to portray Brianna in a negative light.

Hold on, Gunnar! It is approaching. The board progressives are searching through Google and Reddit in an effort to uncover any information that could portray Brianna as a Nazi or maybe a Zionist pig! Anyway, the video runs for an hour, but you only need to watch the first 15 minutes or so to grasp why Brianna believes progressivism has completely lost its way.

You willing to watch the video Gunnar and offer up an opinion on what she believes?
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It has been five minutes since my last post, and Gunnar, the internet just went down because Canpakes has 2000 tabs open on the computer, desperately searching for the most negative information about Brianna. Keep an eye out, once Canpakes finishes closing a thousand tabs, the internet will return to its usual state.
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Just bumping, in the hope of getting an answer:
Chap wrote:
Wed Apr 09, 2025 4:43 pm
It looks a bit as if HoH is puzzled by requests to explain what he means by 'progressivism'.

When I make that request, what I want is for him to write a few words setting out a clear idea of what, for him at least, this thing he calls 'progressivism' means. Like, for instance:

"Communism is a sociopolitical, philosophical, and economic ideology within the socialist movement, whose goal is the creation of a communist society, a socioeconomic order centered on common ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange that allocates products in society based on need."

You might think that 'communism' really means something quite different from that, but if I was to give that definition in response to the question "What do you mean by communism?", you would have a pretty good idea of what I meant by "communism".

Now HoH: please following that model, please explain what you mean by 'progressivism'.
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Brianna Wu is a Zionist pig. What's progressivism again? I'm starting to think it just means "a different opinion than my own." Your barely coherent rants are sounding more and more like projection. And I find it interesting that you've described the existence of trans people as a walking advertisement for why Republicans should win, but as soon as you find someone who agrees with anything conservative, you've started using correct pronouns and talking about trans people with respect. I don't know guys, HoH might be full of it, lol.
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Molok wrote:
Wed Apr 09, 2025 5:30 pm
Brianna Wu is a Zionist pig. What's progressivism again? I'm starting to think it just means "a different opinion than my own." Your barely coherent rants are sounding more and more like projection. And I find it interesting that you've described the existence of trans people as a walking advertisement for why Republicans should win, but as soon as you find someone who agrees with anything conservative, you've started using correct pronouns and talking about trans people with respect. I don't know guys, HoH might be full of it, lol.
Point proven!
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Hound of Heaven wrote:
Wed Apr 09, 2025 5:57 pm
Molok wrote:
Wed Apr 09, 2025 5:30 pm
Brianna Wu is a Zionist pig. What's progressivism again? I'm starting to think it just means "a different opinion than my own." Your barely coherent rants are sounding more and more like projection. And I find it interesting that you've described the existence of trans people as a walking advertisement for why Republicans should win, but as soon as you find someone who agrees with anything conservative, you've started using correct pronouns and talking about trans people with respect. I don't know guys, HoH might be full of it, lol.
Point proven!
What point do you think you've proven? I've followed Brianna Wu since gamergate and dislike her for a great many reasons. She is misguided at best, and turning into a grifter at worst. She describes American healthcare as the greatest in the world (lmao), and shamelessly supports a genocide. Maybe you can tell me how opposing that is part of progressivism, but you'd have to actually give a definition for it first, which we both know you'll never do.

Last time I asked you this it seemed to piss you off : Is English your first language? If it is, you seem very uneducated, and likely using Chatgpt to feebly attempt to make your points for you. If it isn't, I might be willing to cut you a tiny bit of slack and stop pointing out how stupid you come off when you attempt to communicate with another human.
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Hound of Heaven wrote:
Wed Apr 09, 2025 5:14 pm
It has been five minutes since my last post, and Gunnar, the internet just went down because Canpakes has 2000 tabs open on the computer, desperately searching for the most negative information about Brianna. Keep an eye out, once Canpakes finishes closing a thousand tabs, the internet will return to its usual state.
Actually, I do have an embarrassingly large number of open tabs at any time, because there are so many great web pages that I run across that I want to keep open for ‘later’, to return to their excellent content. And it kind of goes with my job, too. : D

But, in this case, I haven’t opened any additional tabs to address your post, because you’ve provided nothing of value to debate. All that you’ve done is exactly what I predicted at the outset: find a random video from the 5.1 billion available videos that exist on YouTube, from a random person, and then attempt to use their particular point of view to ‘prove’ some vague assertion about whatever you think the term ‘progressivism’ means.

Any one of the folks on this board can do the same for conservatism, fascism, MAGA, etc.

It’s spam. Rerun spam, even, considering this board’s history. ; )

You like spam. Congratulations. And you appear to be very fearful of so many things. But your fears don’t represent what progressivism is to anyone but yourself.
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Hello again, HoH! Go on, give it a try ... you can do it!
Chap wrote:
Wed Apr 09, 2025 4:43 pm
It looks a bit as if HoH is puzzled by requests to explain what he means by 'progressivism'.

When I make that request, what I want is for him to write a few words setting out a clear idea of what, for him at least, this thing he calls 'progressivism' means. Like, for instance:

"Communism is a sociopolitical, philosophical, and economic ideology within the socialist movement, whose goal is the creation of a communist society, a socioeconomic order centered on common ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange that allocates products in society based on need."

You might think that 'communism' really means something quite different from that, but if I was to give that definition in response to the question "What do you mean by communism?", you would have a pretty good idea of what I meant by "communism".

Now HoH: please following that model, please explain what you mean by 'progressivism'.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Mayan Elephant:
Not only have I denounced the Big Lie, I have denounced the Big lie big lie.
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