Auto pen....

[Gunnar]

Focus....critical thought? Trump has stated he signs personally all important documents, except for letters to children and such. If he is lying about that and people have his name card auto signing key documents then I certainly would like to know.

The same with Biden....don't you think for one moment this is a realistic request?

The point with Biden is that he had dementia....and how do we know what was auto penned with his understand and authorization of what was being signed.

Do you believe that I worthy of an investigation given what the inner sources our now revealing?

Why do you seem to always assume the worst about Biden and progressives or Democrats, while seemingly unconcerned about the virtual firehose of lies, misinformation and invective spewing from Trump and his cohorts?

[honorentheos]

It blows my mind that we just had the most vicious budget legislation passed by the House and people want to talk about Biden still.

[Markk]

I can't answer who has access to it, but from some spelunking it sounds like there's generally guidelines (or a "Playbook") for each federal agency on utilizing autopens, which includes who receives "certificates" to be able to utilize a given machine. They're probably improved on as vulnerabilities are discovered. I doubt Biden's administration used the exact "Playbook" that Bush did when his Office of Legal Counsel published their 29-pager** saying it's groovy to use on everything.

Random factoid, but Obama was the first known president to sign a piece of legislation with an autopen. He signed the Patriot Act extension while he was rubbing elbows with the freedom fries haters over in France.

While spelunking, I found this fun article from Cornell on some auto-pen controversies (sorry... it was a year ago, so Biden didn't make the cut). Link

**[PDF DIRECT DOWNLOAD WARNING -- Justice.gov]

I wonder who had a card? This is important. If forks were signing for Biden without his understanding or approving it is a huge deal. I agree with you like with all technologies we may lean the hard way.

[Markk]

It blows my mind that we just had the most vicious budget legislation passed by the House and people want to talk about Biden still.

I am reading the bill, and trying to understand it. So far, there is some stuff so far I don't like, but some good stuff also. I am not sure how we are going to pay for it, like every other budget bill in my adult caring lifetime.

Lets see what the senate does with it and then we can talk away.

by the way, good to see you back here.

[Doctor Steuss]

I wonder who had a card? This is important. If forks were signing for Biden without his understanding or approving it is a huge deal. I agree with you like with all technologies we may lean the hard way.

Oh definitely, if someone was signing for him, without his knowledge, that's a huge problem.

I'm surprised that more wasn't made out of President Trump plainly stating "“I don’t know when it was signed, because I didn’t sign it" in regards to the proclamation invoking the Alien Enemies Act. That's a huge problem that people in the current administration are just running around signing Trump's signature to things without his knowledge that are being ruled illegal and unconstitutional. I think I saw one video clip, and a CNN article... and then *poof* buried into the void.

I guess an actual admission to not knowing about the signing of a Presidential Proclamation isn't as juicy as a conspiracy. Hopefully, between Biden and Trump, the next administration will look at the situation(s) and implement more robust safeguards around autopens and digital signatures.

In the meantime, I guess we all just enjoy the nebulous ride of "I wonder who signed that."

[Gunnar]

I wonder who had a card? This is important. If forks were signing for Biden without his understanding or approving it is a huge deal. I agree with you like with all technologies we may lean the hard way.

I agree with you on that!

[Markk]

I wonder who had a card? This is important. If forks were signing for Biden without his understanding or approving it is a huge deal. I agree with you like with all technologies we may lean the hard way.

Oh definitely, if someone was signing for him, without his knowledge, that's a huge problem.

I'm surprised that more wasn't made out of President Trump plainly stating "“I don’t know when it was signed, because I didn’t sign it" in regards to the proclamation invoking the Alien Enemies Act. That's a huge problem that people in the current administration are just running around signing Trump's signature to things without his knowledge that are being ruled illegal and unconstitutional. I think I saw one video clip, and a CNN article... and then *poof* buried into the void.

I guess an actual admission to not knowing about the signing of a Presidential Proclamation isn't as juicy as a conspiracy. Hopefully, between Biden and Trump, the next administration will look at the situation(s) and implement more robust safeguards around autopens and digital signatures.

In the meantime, I guess we all just enjoy the nebulous ride of "I wonder who signed that."

I didn't know that, and that is a problem, it should not happen. There is a difference in that we know Trump understood and endorsees the act. I need to read about that though, do you have a link?

I think we are conflating Bidens dementia, withs Trump's arrogance and aggressive nature.

[Molok]

Can anyone show me a video of Biden signing executive orders that he has no idea what they're about? I've seen that about 5 or 6 times with Trump now, but obviously Biden is what we should be concerned about....for some reason. Lol. Markkk indeed.

This happened again today, by the way. Trump stared at a guy with a completely vacant expression as his executive order was explained to him, then made no comment about what he heard to demonstrate any comprehension of it. He simply said with slurred speech "He did a great job didn't he? How many people here could have done that? (read words off a piece of paper) I think a lot." Managing to establish a point and immediately contradict it in the very next sentence.. Plus, with several women vomiting from simply standing near him (due to his incontinence) it is obvious our President is President in name only.

[Molok]

I didn't know that, and that is a problem, it should not happen. There is a difference in that we know Trump understood and endorsees the act. I need to read about that though, do you have a link?

DO we know that Trump understood and endorses the act? How do you know that's the case as opposed to him sundowning and just going along with whatever is being said while he is on camera? How do we tell those two things apart? Enlighten us!

[canpakes]

I'm surprised that more wasn't made out of President Trump plainly stating "“I don’t know when it was signed, because I didn’t sign it" in regards to the proclamation invoking the Alien Enemies Act. That's a huge problem that people in the current administration are just running around signing Trump's signature to things without his knowledge that are being ruled illegal and unconstitutional. I think I saw one video clip, and a CNN article... and then *poof* buried into the void.

I guess an actual admission to not knowing about the signing of a Presidential Proclamation isn't as juicy as a conspiracy. Hopefully, between Biden and Trump, the next administration will look at the situation(s) and implement more robust safeguards around autopens and digital signatures.

In the meantime, I guess we all just enjoy the nebulous ride of "I wonder who signed that."

Interesting. Trump didn’t sign this?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential ... de-aragua/

And he admitted publicly that he doesn’t know who did, or if he has even read it?

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/21/politics ... src-digvid

So Trump doesn’t know what EOs or proclamations are being issued in his name or who is signing off on them. This must be the sort of example that Markk is looking for.