The Great Biden Distraction

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Gunnar wrote:
Mon May 26, 2025 5:50 pm
Markk wrote:
Mon May 26, 2025 4:54 pm
I doubt you can listen to any critical thought about his decline, but listen to this....by his supporters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Florida-0PEW ... lM&index=2

And this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Florida-0PEW ... lM&index=2

Are these folks who unlike us, very close to the situation wrong here?
Neither of those videos are available anymore. I wonder why.
Wow, that was quick.

here is part of the second one.

https://youtu.be/XmM7wo6lOHk?t=215

I'll look for the second one after my honey do's
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Re: The Great Biden Distraction

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honorentheos wrote:
Mon May 26, 2025 1:27 am
I'm curious, is there a similar non partisan fact sheet for Trump's 1st 4 years? I looked and could not find one.
Oh, you want to jump topics and go with vibes again. I see.

Just to be clear, Markk, it's perfectly human to want to find the out where you can decide you don't have to believe the Biden administration was actually a successful administration having a positive impact on the lives of Americans. I've been pointing out this was the route you were taking from the jump. It doesn't even matter to me if you fail to acknowledge that. But your last post was exactly that and in spades.
It's a prime example of "Backfire effect," obviously!
What is the backfire effect
The backfire effect is a cognitive bias that causes people who encounter evidence that challenges their beliefs to reject that evidence, and to strengthen their support of their original stance. Essentially, the backfire effect means that showing people evidence which proves that they are wrong is often ineffective, and can actually end up backfiring, by causing them to support their original stance more strongly than they previously did.

As such, the backfire effect is a subtype of the confirmation bias, which is a cognitive bias that can cause people to reject information which contradicts their beliefs, or to interpret information in a way that confirms those beliefs.
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Markk wrote:
Sat May 24, 2025 3:52 pm
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Sat May 24, 2025 3:24 pm
Indeed, the most successful venture of the new Administration is an overt display of fear and loathing over trans folks.

I don’t remember when the Founding Fathers emphasized that the Federal Government should insert itself into issues of gender and sexuality, but these days we gotta pander to the most insecure, somewhat rabid and hateful portion of the MAGA base, right? These are the distractions that do little other than keeping your eye off the ball.
So I guess in your view, as you dance around a direct answer as always, you disagree with ending men and boys in girls sports, and cutting off breasts and penises, while subjecting them to lifelong medications is okay for children, teens, and young men and women, and that disagreeing with this is a distraction? Yes or no will do and I'll move on to the next one.
Markk, I was away for a few days, so I’m responding late.

Although I admire your perseverance in obsessing about other men and women cutting off their breasts and penises (or would the proper word be penii, perhaps?) … oh, wait. I’m just kidding. I don’t admire that obsession. It’s weird.

I think that a political party defining itself with this issue as it pushes a grifting, compulsively-lying, fraud-convicted, serial adulterer and sexual abuser to its leadership position, while openly promoting as much divisiveness and cruelty as possible whilst backtracking on all of its ‘promises’, is a bit of a dud, and not a party worth supporting.

The answer to your question, then, is a firm ‘yes’ to it being a distraction, and a firm ‘no’ to participating in it. I don’t believe that every important issue in this country has to be held hostage by individuals who cannot deal with the existence of trans people. And I think that their obsession with trans people is weird and possibly indicative of some kind of mental instability, and we have more important things to attend to than making weird obsessive people feel good about their odd preoccupation with and distaste of trans folks. This just doesn’t meet my threshold for ‘constitutional matters’.

What’s your next question?
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Re: The Great Biden Distraction

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canpakes wrote:
Tue May 27, 2025 1:08 am
Markk wrote:
Sat May 24, 2025 3:52 pm
So I guess in your view, as you dance around a direct answer as always, you disagree with ending men and boys in girls sports, and cutting off breasts and penises, while subjecting them to lifelong medications is okay for children, teens, and young men and women, and that disagreeing with this is a distraction? Yes or no will do and I'll move on to the next one.
Markk, I was away for a few days, so I’m responding late.

Although I admire your perseverance in obsessing about other men and women cutting off their breasts and penises (or would the proper word be penii, perhaps?) … oh, wait. I’m just kidding. I don’t admire that obsession. It’s weird.

I think that a political party defining itself with this issue as it pushes a grifting, compulsively-lying, fraud-convicted, serial adulterer and sexual abuser to its leadership position, while openly promoting as much divisiveness and cruelty as possible whilst backtracking on all of its ‘promises’, is a bit of a dud, and not a party worth supporting.

The answer to your question, then, is a firm ‘yes’ to it being a distraction, and a firm ‘no’ to participating in it. I don’t believe that every important issue in this country has to be held hostage by individuals who cannot deal with the existence of trans people. And I think that their obsession with trans people is weird and possibly indicative of some kind of mental instability, and we have more important things to attend to than making weird obsessive people feel good about their odd preoccupation with and distaste of trans folks. This just doesn’t meet my threshold for ‘constitutional matters’.

What’s your next question?
Well said!
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Gunner wrote:Well said!
I think some of the sales training we endured as missionaries did have pragmatic value. One of the featured role playing scenarios was resolving the investigator's concerns. The first step was identifying the real concern. It was assumed that investigators derail their conversion process by fake concerns. The patient missionary could pick up on the manufactured concerns and with probing questions, get to the real struggle. I applaud the pro-democracy participants of the "auto-pen" thread who were finally able to get to the real concern.

Or at least, a much more believable concern.
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Would it be a concern if Trump started calling a lid early in the day and acted like he wasn't in charge any more, yet seemed to be doing everything Russia wanted via the auto pen? Wouldn't that be a 4 alarm fire or is that possibilty so 2017?

Obviously if the above scenario happened and Israel were substituted for Russia, both political parties and the media and probably most here would change their tune and perhaps revere 47 as the greatest president Israel ever had.

No, having a demented president is a concern and it seems there is an amendment somewhere to cover the issue. However, when the team does it there is no problem.
Myth is misused by the powerful to subjugate the masses all too often.
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Dr Exiled wrote:
Tue May 27, 2025 3:11 pm
Obviously if the above scenario happened and Israel were substituted for Russia, both political parties and the media and probably most here would change their tune and perhaps revere 47 as the greatest president Israel ever had.
What if that’s happening while MAGA claims that Trump is both a completely competent 47-D chess master and the greatest president Israel ever had?
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honorentheos wrote:
Sun May 25, 2025 12:42 am
[...] The other was in the initial months of inflation when they described it as largely a supply chain issue that would resolve as COVID impacts resolved while many economists at the time were pointing to more systemic changes affecting wages (in a way benefiting people for the most part) and real long-term restructuring issues that they failed to acknowledge. [...]
I often wonder what would have happened if Biden had gone back to OPEC and tried to undo them taking advantage of Trump's idiocy.

With Trump's mouth-breathing double-cross with Syria being the likely primary impetus, I think OPEC would have been open to a new deal. Instead, Biden, et.al. decided to let Trump's disastrous and moronic deal sunset, and allowed it to drastically contribute to inflation all the way through the middle of 2022. Overlaying inflation charts with OPEC 2020 really helps show just how much of global inflation was because of a singular instance of the "deal maker" displaying the statesmanship and negotiating prowess of a potato, and Biden going with a myopic US-Go-It-Alone strategy of "drill-baby-drill" (actually drilling, instead of just chanting it as a slogan).
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canpakes wrote:
Tue May 27, 2025 3:35 pm
Dr Exiled wrote:
Tue May 27, 2025 3:11 pm
Obviously if the above scenario happened and Israel were substituted for Russia, both political parties and the media and probably most here would change their tune and perhaps revere 47 as the greatest president Israel ever had.
What if that’s happening while MAGA claims that Trump is both a completely competent 47-D chess master and the greatest president Israel ever had?
The idea is to get out of the team manipulation mentality and think for ourselves. MAGA could use that advice and so could the resistance. The auto pen issue is merely a symptom of how our politics have been controlled by the donor class for many, many years. But, who cares about that when Hitler is in control of the White House or the Trans army is coming to take over our red states.
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Dr Exiled wrote:
Tue May 27, 2025 4:20 pm
The auto pen issue is merely a symptom of how our politics have been controlled by the donor class for many, many years. But, who cares about that when Hitler is in control of the White House or the Trans army is coming to take over our red states.
I suspect that more folks than you might imagine are fully aware of the reality of your first statement, but that doesn’t mean that fallout related to the second statement doesn’t need to be dealt with.
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