2025 Looking like 2020 - Wonder What They Have In Common

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canpakes wrote:
Wed Jun 11, 2025 3:56 pm
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A conversation about LA and involving folks who live there, presented for people like Ceeboo, who believe that the entire city is in flames and under siege from lawless hordes of immigrants…

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If anything, Trump is probably dismayed that so small a proportion of L.A. is affected by the demonstrations. Hence his ordering military into the fray to further exacerbate the situation, which was largely caused by him to begin with.
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Wed Jun 11, 2025 12:20 pm
Yes they are, that is what a sanctuary city does, it gives sanctuary to all sorts of illegal immigrant criminals.
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Wait, Republicans are lying to themselves and everyone else about this?

Shocking.

You can't have a MAGA card without agreeing to never tell the truth. MAGAtes are like, "Yeah sure. That's already my lifestyle."
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Gunnar wrote:
Wed Jun 11, 2025 7:30 pm
If anything, Trump is probably dismayed that so small a proportion of L.A. is affected by the demonstrations. Hence his ordering military into the fray to further exacerbate the situation, which was largely caused by him to begin with.
Yes. He needs to push a BS narrative to advance his own interests over what’s best for the nation as a whole, and to titillate his MAGA base.

And then there’s this interesting and unprecedented bit of completely classless, dangerous divisiveness:

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Trump needs to set Americans against each other to distract from other realities. After all, folks like Ceeboo aren’t getting those lower prices that they were complaining about before the election, or the better interest rates, or reduced debt, or better jobs, or less costly housing, or reduced inflation, or better employment numbers, or even better oil production numbers. But the new Administration is doing a great job of serving up hatred and division.

Maybe that was all that MAGA really wanted, and they didn’t get enough of it without Trump.
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Disgusting. Those troops cheering him are shaming themselves. They should be ashamed of their vile behavior.
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Dr Exiled wrote:
Wed Jun 11, 2025 5:14 pm
It's always a minority few that spoil the game but they are spoiling the game, despite what is convenient to believe.

Trump's having the immigration court judges dismiss cases and then having ICE outside waiting to arrest the immigrants is total BS and the immigrant's lawyers need to be ready to move the court that is dismissing the case for an emergency stay to the dismissal and an emergency request for parole pending appeal of the dismissal. Then, if the lower courts deny the petition, appeal it to the higher courts and let's have the higher courts give a rational process for determining the rights and status of these individuals. It's a mess created by a disastrous open border policy, but a heavy hand isn't the answer. Also, acting like children and burning cars, looting, and throwing rocks at cars isn't the answer either.
All of this is true, but working through the courts over the course of months stands little chance of producing justice if the Administration has whisked a person on to an outbound plane to Central America the day after being picked up outside of the scheduled hearing, and then pretends that it either cannot locate that person afterwards or simply refuses to bring back the deported individual regardless of what the court has ordered (unless they can gin up bogus new charges to make a show of it).

It would be great if both sides could play by the rules, but there is a serious imbalance of actions, with massive consequences for civil liberties, in that regard at this point.
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Gunnar wrote:
Wed Jun 11, 2025 7:56 pm
Markk wrote:
Wed Jun 11, 2025 12:20 pm
Yes they are, that is what a sanctuary city does, it gives sanctuary to all sorts of illegal immigrant criminals.
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Lol....then why is it called a sanctuary city, and why are laws passed to let illegal immigrants walk free from their breaking federal immigrations laws?

As an example, it is a felony if a person is deported, and then comes back illegally.....but sanctuary cites do not and will not contact ICE for federal charges....why, because they offer sanctuary.

Here is the president explaining it for you....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IrDrBs13oA
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Markk wrote:
Thu Jun 12, 2025 2:37 am
Lol....then why is it called a sanctuary city, and why are laws passed to let illegal immigrants walk free from their breaking federal immigrations laws?
I’ll bite. I want to learn. What law was passed to ‘let illegal immigrants walk free from their breaking federal immigrations laws’? And how is such a law enforced at the State level?
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Kishkumen wrote:
Wed Jun 11, 2025 9:36 pm
Disgusting. Those troops cheering him are shaming themselves. They should be ashamed of their vile behavior.
Not sure where I read this but I did read that they were screened in advance.
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Thu Jun 12, 2025 2:46 am
Kishkumen wrote:
Wed Jun 11, 2025 9:36 pm
Disgusting. Those troops cheering him are shaming themselves. They should be ashamed of their vile behavior.
Not sure where I read this but I did read that they were screened in advance.
The folks in uniform who will be sitting in bleachers during the parade this weekend will be screened in advance for their loyalty to Trump’s actions and utterances. I believe that the folks in charge wanted to avoid any ‘rolling of eyes’ visible in the background when Cheetolini speaks.
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