Pedo Epidemic in MAGA

[Dr Exiled]

Those MAGA people are dumb end of story, right?

by the way, yes. Of course. Not much really needs to be said when you consider how damned stupid Idiot voters are. There are several reasons you are a moron if you voted for Idiot. It's indisputable.

Anyone who hasn't noticed or figured that out is another one of the damned dumbasses. Obviously.

And that's half the story. The democrats put up an incompetent, without a primary and expected the population to vote for her. I believe that gets lost in your blaming the voter for Trump. The democrats could have easily won if they hadn't hid the fact that they put up an alzheimer's patient in 2020 that led to the Harris FUBAR in 2024. She couldn't put a sentence together. I've always maintained that Trump is merely a symptom of an angry population that hates both parties, are desperate for change, and are therefore easily conned.

[Dr Exiled]

I think the people are tired of constant war..

Are they?

That's a nice graphic and I guess that proves something. Anyway, I found something a little different.

https://www.newsweek.com/most-gop-voter ... ll-2086862
https://www.republicworld.com/world-new ... ll-reveals
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation ... 57850.html

[Doctor Steuss]

I think the people are tired of constant war..

Are they?

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For now, it seems that the majority of MAGA talking heads, and social media influencers have drawn a line in the sand regarding Iran. If the US gets involved (beyond already being involved through proxy), that's the thing that will finally make them no longer support the fraudster-rapist-in-chief. Or so they say.

Naturally, if we do get involved, 99.9% of MAGA will pivot like they do with every imaginary line they draw of where they would no longer support their god-emperor, but for now they're at least claiming it would be a dealbreaker. I think the question is whether Trump will believe his base when they say it's a dealbreaker, or if he'll take the "shoot someone on 5th Avenue" approach, knowing they've already sold their souls to him.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Are they?

That's a nice graphic and I guess that proves something. Anyway, I found something a little different.

https://www.newsweek.com/most-gop-voter ... ll-2086862
https://www.republicworld.com/world-new ... ll-reveals
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation ... 57850.html

Well. Cool, but:

JL Partners, a respected British polling firm with US polling experience, conducted a poll (June 16&17) focused on self-identified MAGAs and published by the NY Post:

65% of MAGA Republicans support US. military strikes on Iranian military sites.
81% support Israel’s strikes on Iran.
59% want Israel to continue until Iran’s nuclear capabilities are destroyed.

Sample included 624 Republican voters nationwide, with segmentation of MAGA vs non-MAGA. MAGA defined: JL Partners asked respondents if they identified as “MAGA Republicans,” helping to ensure clarity and self-identification.

Source: NY Post article on J.L. Partners poll (June 18, 2025)

[Kishkumen]

And that's half the story. The democrats put up an incompetent, without a primary and expected the population to vote for her. I believe that gets lost in your blaming the voter for Trump. The democrats could have easily won if they hadn't hid the fact that they put up an alzheimer's patient in 2020 that led to the Harris FUBAR in 2024. She couldn't put a sentence together. I've always maintained that Trump is merely a symptom of an angry population that hates both parties, are desperate for change, and are therefore easily conned.

Um, I am not a big fan of Harris, but calling her "incompetent" robs you of credibility. Incompetent compared to what or whom? The guy who speaks like a grade schooler and doesn't read? Are you serious? You say stuff like the above, and it becomes really difficult to take you seriously.

[Dr Exiled]

And that's half the story. The democrats put up an incompetent, without a primary and expected the population to vote for her. I believe that gets lost in your blaming the voter for Trump. The democrats could have easily won if they hadn't hid the fact that they put up an alzheimer's patient in 2020 that led to the Harris FUBAR in 2024. She couldn't put a sentence together. I've always maintained that Trump is merely a symptom of an angry population that hates both parties, are desperate for change, and are therefore easily conned.

Um, I am not a big fan of Harris, but calling her "incompetent" robs you of credibility. Incompetent compared to what or whom? The guy who speaks like a grade schooler and doesn't read? Are you serious? You say stuff like the above, and it becomes really difficult to take you seriously.

I really don't care if you think I am credible or not or if you take me seriously. You can go f___ yourself for all I care. So, whatever. Agree with it or don't or don't comment. And you really aren't the judge of credibility and so perhaps stop acting like you are. Frankly, your thinking is overly emotional. You let the specter of Trump and how he makes you wet your pants cloud your thinking on this. Perhaps both candidates were poor choices? Ever thought of that one?

[Dr Exiled]

That's a nice graphic and I guess that proves something. Anyway, I found something a little different.

https://www.newsweek.com/most-gop-voter ... ll-2086862
https://www.republicworld.com/world-new ... ll-reveals
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation ... 57850.html

Well. Cool, but:

JL Partners, a respected British polling firm with US polling experience, conducted a poll (June 16&17) focused on self-identified MAGAs and published by the NY Post:

65% of MAGA Republicans support US. military strikes on Iranian military sites.
81% support Israel’s strikes on Iran.
59% want Israel to continue until Iran’s nuclear capabilities are destroyed.

Sample included 624 Republican voters nationwide, with segmentation of MAGA vs non-MAGA. MAGA defined: JL Partners asked respondents if they identified as “MAGA Republicans,” helping to ensure clarity and self-identification.

Source: NY Post article on J.L. Partners poll (June 18, 2025)

Well, I'd like to see how the questions were worded but they're wrong to want war with Iran. Those MAGA supporters shouldn't blindly follow Trump and should look at what Tucker Carlson and Bannon say regarding the same. Those guys are just as much MAGA as Trump. War with Iran is a stupid idea and Trump should be impeached if he gets us involved without congressional approval and congress should disobey their AIPAC minders and vote no on war if it's brought up.

https://www.newsweek.com/tucker-carlson ... ar-2086346
https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-Trump ... 07066.html
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 257433007/

[Kishkumen]

I really don't care if you think I am credible or not or if you take me seriously. You can go f___ yourself for all I care. So, whatever. Agree with it or don't or don't comment. And you really aren't the judge of credibility and so perhaps stop acting like you are. Frankly, your thinking is overly emotional. You let the specter of Trump and how he makes you wet your pants cloud your thinking on this. Perhaps both candidates were poor choices? Ever thought of that one?

I may be emotional, but you’re an effing dumbass.

Would Harris be violating the Constitution left and right? Would we be on the verge of war with Iran? Would we be in the middle of a stupid trade war right now?

Damn, dude. Think.

[Physics Guy]

From this outsider's perspective, Trump appears to be an extreme outlier of incompetence, far below what anyone would previously have considered the normal range for leaders of major states. Comparing his degree of fitness to lead with anyone else's is absurd.

The current Democratic Party, however, seems at best to be at bottom end of the normal range. No competent political party would let someone like Trump win. The Democrats cannot be much better than the non-MAGA wing of the Republican Party, which likewise failed to stop Trump.

Criticising Trump more than his defeated rivals isn't wrong, because he is indeed much worse than they are, but it's belabouring the obvious. Criticising the Democrats and the non-Trump Republicans is at least potentially constructive, and their respective flaws probably are comparable with each other, even though Trump is far worse than both.

And it's probably worth looking hard at the American system, which can't be so good if all the talent of the American population can't make it work better than this. There are a number of problematic features in the US system. As I mentioned a while ago here, the vaunted checks and balances make it hard for any party to do anything, so whereas elected governments in other countries implement their platforms and take the consequences from the electorate, American politics is blaming the other side for the national paralysis.

Another issue is the lack of meaningful limits on campaign spending. Here, too, the problem may not so much be actual corruption, with rich donors ruling the country, as simply inertia. Bogged down by the constant need to keep all their donors on board, the major parties are too slow to bring in new talent, adopt new ideas, or reach new constituencies. Any innovations like that have to get buy-in from all the donors before they can be tried out on voters, and the delay is too much.

The US constitution and campaigning rules both seem to foster inertia. Perhaps it's longterm voter frustration with systemic inertia, more than any particular issue of the day, that best explains the voting patterns that people call "populism".

[Kishkumen]

From this outsider's perspective, Trump appears to be an extreme outlier of incompetence, far below what anyone would previously have considered the normal range for leaders of major states. Comparing his degree of fitness to lead with anyone else's is absurd.

The current Democratic Party, however, seems at best to be at bottom end of the normal range. No competent political party would let someone like Trump win. The Democrats cannot be much better than the non-MAGA wing of the Republican Party, which likewise failed to stop Trump.

Criticising Trump more than his defeated rivals isn't wrong, because he is indeed much worse than they are, but it's belabouring the obvious. Criticising the Democrats and the non-Trump Republicans is at least potentially constructive, and their respective flaws probably are comparable with each other, even though Trump is far worse than both.

And it's probably worth looking hard at the American system, which can't be so good if all the talent of the American population can't make it work better than this. There are a number of problematic features in the US system. As I mentioned a while ago here, the vaunted checks and balances make it hard for any party to do anything, so whereas elected governments in other countries implement their platforms and take the consequences from the electorate, American politics is blaming the other side for the national paralysis.

Another issue is the lack of meaningful limits on campaign spending. Here, too, the problem may not so much be actual corruption, with rich donors ruling the country, as simply inertia. Bogged down by the constant need to keep all their donors on board, the major parties are too slow to bring in new talent, adopt new ideas, or reach new constituencies. Any innovations like that have to get buy-in from all the donors before they can be tried out on voters, and the delay is too much.

The US constitution and campaigning rules both seem to foster inertia. Perhaps it's longterm voter frustration with systemic inertia, more than any particular issue of the day, that best explains the voting patterns that people call "populism".

Worthwhile observations, PG. We can also bring into consideration generational differences. The Boomers have maintained a stranglehold on everything long past their “sell by” date, and X is a new silent generation. It is likely the case that X is closer in sentiment to Boomers than younger generations, providing the Boomers the support they need to maintain control, while millennials and even younger people champ at the bit and seethe with frustration. Add to that the fact that some are actually going “trad” as the new rebellion against liberal cultural norms.