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[canpakes]

I called it earlier in the thread. Nailed it, in fact. Yeah, gotta say I don’t completely understand this. I don’t always agree with everything the federal government does. Why do my tax dollars go to facilitate genocide in Gaza?

Yes, I do see the problem. The problem is that you believe there is a genocide happening in Gaza. …

I know, right? The killing of tens of thousands of women and girls in Gaza is of no consequence because it cannot be arbitrarily agreed by all parties to be a ‘genocide’. Besides, I’m sure that all of those women and girls killed were evil terrorists, anyway.

Don’t you fret about these things, Ceeboo. Somewhere, there’s a girl who didn’t win a fake silver medal in a track competition because a transgender kid was faster; you need to save your faux rage and indignation for that, instead.

https://www.unwomen.org/sites/default/f ... ressed.pdf

[Kishkumen]

I called it earlier in the thread. Nailed it, in fact. Yeah, gotta say I don’t completely understand this. I don’t always agree with everything the federal government does. Why do my tax dollars go to facilitate genocide in Gaza?

See the problem?

Yes, I do see the problem. The problem is that you believe there is a genocide happening in Gaza.

(Oncoming barrage coming from several directions in 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 .........)

Predictable but irrelevant answer. The problem is that we can’t and probably should not expect the government to conform to our particular views. PBS and NPR provide services that address the needs of people who can’t afford streaming services, cable tv, and the like. I don’t agree with everything said there, but I recognize the value of the service.

[ceeboo]

Yes, I do see the problem. The problem is that you believe there is a genocide happening in Gaza.

Is it more fashionable to refer to it as a 'population correction'?

When it comes to the horrific realities of war - one ought to exercise caution using adjectives like "fashionable". October 7 was the event that began war. War is horrifying and heart-breaking on many levels - But it is war and in this particular case, it ought to be called what it is, war. Using genocide is not only a disgusting label to attach to a country that was attacked, but it is also evil to do so (in my opinion).

What is happening in Gaza has been labelled 'genocide' by many legal scholars and organizations (a United Nations Special Committee, Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, and others).

I have been hearing this. Most of the time, I don't formulate my opinions/thoughts by using highly politicized organizations and/or "many legal scholars" (whatever that's means).

Even if you want to argue that what is happening in Gaza doesn't meet the legal definition of 'genocide' (due to questions regarding intent, for example) the results on the ground are all but indistinguishable from it.

The number of civilian deaths have nothing to do with genocide. Genocide, if we are going to use that word, can only be applied to a genocidal act that took place on Oct 7 and the terrorists that were literally intending to murder as many Jews as possible.

The Holocaust, what happened to the Armenians, Yazidis, in Rwanda, Darfur and Syria more recently, are examples of genocide.


Simply put" Israel isn’t trying to wipe the Palestinian people off the map. Israel isn’t trying to wipe Gaza off the map. Israel is trying to defend itself against a genocidal terrorist threat. So, if we’re going to start using that word, fine. Let’s use it where it fits.

And - rather than all of the protests we are seeing across the west supporting Palestine (tearing down signs of Israeli hostages - signs and chants echoing the desired extermination of all Jews - disgusting acts of antisemitism happening on many college campuses- we ought to be thanking Israel for being willing to fight against evil - Evil organizations that want little Satan (Israelis) and big Satan (Americans) dead!

Image such a hypothetical:

A terrorist organization that governs Mexico invades our country - They barbarically slaughter 17 American citizens (17 not 1500) - they cut the heads off of American citizens, they burn American citizens alive, they rape and murder American citizens. Then they take American citizens as hostages back to Mexico. What do you think American citizens would be calling for? What do you think the American government, via its military, would be doing?

Additionally: After Mexico has done such a thing to our country and our citizens - on our soil - we see the reaction of the world: Protests break out across the globe waving Mexican flags, supporting Mexico - people flooding the streets to support Mexico and chanting for America's extinction. Imagine.

[Bret Ripley]

Or conservatives could consider the distance between them and factual information is the problem.

There's an old saying: "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not their own facts." Somewhere along the line this became a 'hold my beer' challenge. Welcome to post-truth America, where alternative-fact peddlers will spin any yarn you like for the low, low price of your moral integrity.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Ceeboo > Israel isn’t wiping Gaza off the map

Israel > https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/gaza-destruction

- Doc

[Bret Ripley]

Ceeboo > Israel isn’t wiping Gaza off the map

Israel > https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/gaza-destruction

- Doc

"Look, I know you are upset about all your other children being blown to bits. But look on the bright side, Mrs. Amadi: technically, it may not be genocide."

[ceeboo]

Or conservatives could consider the distance between them and factual information is the problem.

There's an old saying: "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not their own facts." Somewhere along the line this became a 'hold my beer' challenge. Welcome to post-truth America, where alternative-fact peddlers will spin any yarn you like for the low, low price of your moral integrity.

Well, I feel obligated to be honest with you, old friend. I am quite disappointed to see that this is how you chose to reply to my post to you.

No worries though - you have every right to reply how you want to - as I do - just wanted to let you know.

[Bret Ripley]

There's an old saying: "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not their own facts." Somewhere along the line this became a 'hold my beer' challenge. Welcome to post-truth America, where alternative-fact peddlers will spin any yarn you like for the low, low price of your moral integrity.

Well, I feel obligated to be honest with you, old friend. I am quite disappointed to see that this is how you chose to reply to my post to you.

No worries though - you have every right to reply how you want to - as I do - just wanted to let you know.

Thanks for letting me know. My goal was not to disappoint you, of course, and I wasn't specifically thinking about you with my 'moral integrity' jab -- it applies to all of us (I include myself) when we uncritically accept information simply because it flatters our preconceptions. I was mostly lamenting what I see as the 'mainstreaming' of misinformation, against which we should all be wary.

Further, I will repay your honesty with a bit of my own: I don't see anything particularly wrong with a couple of old friends disagreeing about something. Unless it's the designated hitter, in which case all bets are off.

[canpakes]

Ceeboo > Israel isn’t wiping Gaza off the map

Israel > https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/gaza-destruction

- Doc

Nope. They just keep talking about booting a million Palestinians off of it - dead or alive - and then building a resort on it. . o_O

Our President has ‘tweeted’ a video promoting the same scenario.

Regarding Ceeboo’s example, I would never want to see my own country push an entire population off of the land that they call their home, in order to build a resort, in revenge for 1500 deaths resulting from an attack at a concert. Imagine that we had reacted that garishly to the 9/11 attacks.

[canpakes]

Additionally: After Mexico has done such a thing to our country and our citizens - on our soil - we see the reaction of the world: Protests break out across the globe waving Mexican flags, supporting Mexico - people flooding the streets to support Mexico and chanting for America's extinction. Imagine.

You appear to have left out an important and significant step there.