Is it possible I found the cure for TDS?

[ceeboo]

As far as I can tell, there is only one cure for TDS, and, unfortunately for those infected, this one cure comes with deep personal pain and the potential loss of community.

Let me give you an analogy that fits extremely well, in my opinion. Think about a very devout Mormon. How do most Mormons end up leaving Mormonism - or at least becoming less convinced that Mormonism is 100% true? How do they become willing to accept that there is a possibility that they have been in a cult? These things are very challenges for human beings. In my mind, the only thing that will work is to gently place a pebble in their shoe and move on (most other methods will result in putting them in a defensive position resulting in an immediate attack posture).

This process (curing TDS) comes with personal pain - it comes with the distinct possibility that you will lose something that is very valuable and important to most human beings - community, and perhaps more importantly, belonging. Lastly, I would suggest that these things take time - this is not a moment in time where the lightbulb flips on - It's a lengthy process (For some, lengthier than others) and it's complex - and, unfortunately, it will create various levels of personal pain for anyone who ends up breaking free

Pebbles in shoes - ignore the attacks that will absolutely come - and move on. It's literally all one can do.

Excellent post! Allow me to share my perspective on Mormonism,

Of course - I would be interested in hearing it.

as it may connect with what I believe is occurring within the Marxist progressive movement. Mormonism primarily revolves around persuading its followers to remain within the faith by instilling fear and asserting that their only path to reconnecting with God is through adherence to those deemed worthy representatives of the truth.

Please correct me if I am not fully absorbing the water you are spraying here. Are you tethering this to things like: Fear of the end of democracy - Fear of Hitler/Nazi - Fear of Fascism - Fear of white supremacy - Fear of the Constitution disappearing - Fear of evil Republicans - etc?

Ceeboo, I believe I understand that you identify as a Christian.

I do.

What I'm about to share may be surprising, as it's not something you would typically hear from a devout Mormon. However, it's important to note that Mormons hold the belief that, after death, Christians are considered to be in the same position as Muslims, Jews, or even atheists. For a Mormon, Christianity holds no significance, as God does not recognize it as a legitimate religion, similar to Islam, Judaism, or atheism. Consequently, no Christian sect is permitted to exercise the power and authority of the holy priesthood. The Mormon faith harbors a profound sense of narcissism that remains unspoken among its followers, as it brings about discomfort.

I am not surprised - I am aware of this. Remember, once upon a time, many moons ago, this board was the bee's knees. A community overflowing with people who were more than willing to share their Mormon experiences with me and to teach me many things that I was once completely ignorant about as it relates to this, in my opinion at that time, utterly fascinating thing called Mormonism.

It is clear that the progressives who contribute to this board exhibit a similar self-centered attitude as Mormons do towards those who do not align with their Marxist perspective.

For some (not all) the level of egomaniacal hubris is off the charts. It has literally left me speechless on more than a few occasions.

In their view, everyone is foolish, uninformed, and unable to think rationally, unless they align themselves with the progressive ideology.

I have noticed. LOL!

Once an individual makes this shift, it’s as if they have undergone a baptism into progressivism, gaining access to a truth that was previously beyond their comprehension.

I don't think I am following you here. If you're willing, I would be interested to see you elaborate some.

Trump represents Satan, the epitome of evil for the progressive movement, while conservatives are seen as the virtuous agents of Satan Trump. Similar to latter-day saints, progressives genuinely hold the belief that Satan Trump currently reigns over the earth and that we are living in the latter days. They think they are the sole possessors of the power to save the world; this narrative mirrors the beliefs held by every Mormon regarding their purpose on earth at this particular moment in mortal history.

I think I am following some of this, but again, I would be interested to see you elaborate a bit.

Marxism, socialism, communism and progressivism all resemble religion more than a political movement.

While I am not nearly well informed enough about Marxism or Communism to add anything of real value, I do agree that when it comes to modern American progressivism, specifically, you can easily find fairly significant chunks of religion mixed into the plated salad.

[Gadianton]

How do most Mormons end up leaving Mormonism - or at least becoming less convinced that Mormonism is 100% true? How do they become willing to accept that there is a possibility that they have been in a cult? These things are very challenges for human beings. In my mind, the only thing that will work is to gently place a pebble in their shoe and move on (most other methods will result in putting them in a defensive position resulting in an immediate attack posture).

Hound is such a sissy that he's going to let you talk about his faith like that and not say anything about it.

Neither method, putting a pebble in the shoe, nor a frontal assault with counter-cult study materials would likely work for most of those on this forum who left Mormonism. The pebble method you speak of is a tactic to exploit psychological vulnerability when other methods don't work. My dad used the "flower method" -- the corollary method that your Christian sister msnobody uses -- to bring people into Mormonism. I'll bet his flowers brought more people in than your pebbles have driven people out. And its an interesting reveal from you, that unlike msnobody who believes so much in the positive aspects of her Christian life (and unfortunately her bizarre political life), that she relies on the hope that sharing the flowers that Jesus (and Trump) grow for her will change the hearts of others. This is in stark contrast to you, who imagines putting a pebble in someone's shoe and waiting for the pain to build up, and then when the person is in tears and can't walk anymore, hope that you can convince them to get on the Jesus stretcher rather than just leave and become atheist or something. What a sick bastard you must be. I'd never do that to a person.

If there were a defining moment for me, and really, it's tough to make a case for how a person, especially ones own person, came to change their mind on something important, but to the extent I can tell my own story, the most powerful jolt I ever received on an intellectual level was reading an article from the Interpreters Bible that in effect, threw out any hope that the Bible could be taken seriously as the Word of God, and therefore Mormonism must also fall. Counter Cult materials often suck because the preparers share the same lack of intellectual curiosity about the world that you do. It's not because they are too aggressive, but because they are poor quality. An aggressive person, a total raging dick, could actually convince me of something, while insulting me personally, if their reasoning is good enough. And this, in fact, has happened a few times.

However, it's worth considering this a little. For whatever reason, I was never exposed to the Tanners, and from what I've seen, some of their research is pretty good and it's actually interesting. The problem a lot of people are going to have with the Tanners is throwing a stone from within a glass house, but had I encountered their materials early on, it's difficult to say how it might have affected me vs. Ed Decker Jack Chick and a few others. \Perhaps you could make your case better and wouldn't need to rely on psychological vulnerabilities if you had an information source as accurate as the Tanners research that framed the world politically and economically in such a way that a person could see the merits of T as P. I feel like you have this weird sort of self-awareness that Hound and Markk and my right-wing friend lack that causes you to hesitate on sharing information. Perhaps you've convinced yourself of the pebble theory, but it's also possible that you have a deep sense that your sources just aren't very good and are going to get picked apart relatively quickly. Well, if you were ever to discover a "conservative" explanation of the world such that T must be P, as of high of quality as the Tanner's work on Mormonism, then feel free to link it.

[ceeboo]

And its an interesting reveal from you, that unlike msnobody who believes so much in the positive aspects of her Christian life (and unfortunately her bizarre political life), that she relies on the hope that sharing the flowers that Jesus (and Trump) grow for her will change the hearts of others.

Try to keep up (I know it's very challenging for you) - I wasn't talking about Christianity or the hearts of others. I was talking about political ideologies and changing the minds of others.

This is in stark contrast to you, who imagines putting a pebble in someone's shoe and waiting for the pain to build up, and then when the person is in tears and can't walk anymore, hope that you can convince them to get on the Jesus stretcher rather than just leave and become atheist or something.

As you generally are, you are once again far from understanding basic ideas. I don't attempt to gently place a pebble in someone's shoe to cause pain (it's not really a literal pebble you fool) I do it because it might create the brain to be irritated/activated - it might be that nagging thing that creates a bit of skepticism - it might be the source of questioning certainty -etc.

In addition, this is not about Jesus - or literal religious options - or stretchers or people in tears - or physical pain (you utterly foolish person) - It is entirely about the various levels of potential mental pain and challenges that human beings face when one begins to consider what their current political ideology is and what consequences they might face if they were to modify this ideology.

What a sick bastard you must be.

What a foolish person you are.

I'd never do that to a person.

That's good news for you, because in order to "do that to a person", you would first need to be able to comprehend what it is that you would be doing before you did it.

When the time comes that you find yourself bleeding out, enduring enormous pain, and laying on a stretcher from a pebble is your shoe, let me know and we can discuss this more.

[Hound of Heaven]

I think I am following some of this, but again, I would be interested to see you elaborate a bit.

The vast majority of conservatives continue to maintain a clear distinction between religion and politics, whereas liberals have permitted radical Marxist progressives to merge the two in a bid to attract more voters through fear and manipulation. Progressivism requires a figure of evil to instill fear in its followers, preventing them from abandoning the ideology. Currently, Trump serves as this figure, while conservatives act as his deceptive angels.

One only needs to read thousands of posts authored by the progressives who dominate the board to grasp that they genuinely believe Trump will bring an end to life in America as we know it.

Ceeboo, progressivism represents the connection between a political movement and a religious movement.

In Mormonism, obedience is regarded as the first law of Heaven and a fundamental principle of the faith. Islam is defined as submission, with Muslims primarily submitting to the will of God. In progressivism, compliance is the foremost principle. As you engage with the many progressives on this discussion board, you'll find this fact to be evident.

[ceeboo]

I think I am following some of this, but again, I would be interested to see you elaborate a bit.

The vast majority of conservatives continue to maintain a clear distinction between religion and politics, whereas liberals have permitted radical Marxist progressives to merge the two in a bid to attract more voters through fear and manipulation. Progressivism requires a figure of evil to instill fear in its followers, preventing them from abandoning the ideology. Currently, Trump serves as this figure, while conservatives act as his deceptive angels.

One only needs to read thousands of posts authored by the progressives who dominate the board to grasp that they genuinely believe Trump will bring an end to life in America as we know it.

Ceeboo, progressivism represents the connection between a political movement and a religious movement.

In Mormonism, obedience is regarded as the first law of Heaven and a fundamental principle of the faith. Islam is defined as submission, with Muslims primarily submitting to the will of God. In progressivism, compliance is the foremost principle. As you engage with the many progressives on this discussion board, you'll find this fact to be evident.

Thanks - I appreciate you taking the time to elaborate. It was very helpful.

[Kishkumen]

The vast majority of conservatives continue to maintain a clear distinction between religion and politics, whereas liberals have permitted radical Marxist progressives to merge the two in a bid to attract more voters through fear and manipulation.

Says the former Democrat who somehow missed the whole anti-abortion terrorist cult in Christianity that has been active for half a century.

[Hound of Heaven]

It seems there is a new product available called Magatol, which may assist with the symptoms often associated with Trump derangement syndrome. Have any of the progressives here given it a try? Here’s a brief video that outlines how Magatol might assist some of the contributors here, such as Canpakes, Molok, Bishop Schmo, Dr.CamnPP, and Veritas. Oh, and Res Ipsa, should he choose to read my thread.

https://youtu.be/XMN7dy1rCKQ?si=aFF_5G_l86eIpfwh

Glad to help!

[ceeboo]

It seems there is a new product available called Magatol, which may assist with the symptoms often associated with Trump derangement syndrome.

That was 100% spot on.

I just ordered a pallet of Magatol and I am having it shipped, next-day-air, to DiscussMormonism (ATTN: Spirit Paradise)

[Hound of Heaven]

It seems there is a new product available called Magatol, which may assist with the symptoms often associated with Trump derangement syndrome.

That was 100% spot on.

I just ordered a pallet of Magatol and I am having it shipped, next-day-air, to DiscussMormonism (ATTN: Spirit Paradise)

Same here!! I ordered a whole pallet of Magatol last week, and I'm gearing up to be the life of the family reunion next month by handing out bottles like they're party favors!

You know, I just realized I might have underestimated my needs, definitely going to need another pallet for the fam!

I got the Mega Maga pallet, what size pallet did you get?

[ceeboo]

That was 100% spot on.

I just ordered a pallet of Magatol and I am having it shipped, next-day-air, to DiscussMormonism (ATTN: Spirit Paradise)

Same here!! I ordered a whole pallet of Magatol last week, and I'm gearing up to be the life of the family reunion next month by handing out bottles like they're party favors!

Family reunion next month? Awesome! Hope you have a fabulous time.

I got the Mega Maga pallet, what size pallet did you get?

So that's what happened - I tried to order the Mega Maga pallet, but they told me that they just sold the last one to HOH (I thought they were talking about a condo complex) - I ended up ordering the next size down, called the SB Maga pallet. When I asked what the SB stood for, they told me it stood for secure borders. I guess they have had some issues with shipping these pallets in the past, so mine is supposed to have secure borders around the pallet. They told me the reason for securing the borders is all about protecting and loving what's on the inside (in this case, something very valuable, Magatrol) and not what people frequently suggest due to political ideology (that it's about hating anything on the outside).

I appreciated what they told me about the SB pallet so much that I ordered two more pallets.