Auto pen....

[canpakes]

Who was this group of non-elected people that were running the country, behind the scenes, for four years.

You can ask the same question again in 2028, given that you only cast a vote for one of those many people.

[ceeboo]

I think

I'm not convinced.

2) His questions about who made Executive orders and policy decisions have an answer: Joe Biden and his administration. Like every other President that as ever been in office, Biden signs the orders, approves policy, and makes final calls with input from his staff.

I got a chuckle out of all of your points, but this one was really special. In a thread titled "Auto pen", you post this.

You're funny!

[Marcus]

I think it’s generally a healthy thing to critique a presidency, or express concern about a President’s health when it’s obvious they’re in decline, but Ceeboo’s comment crosses into conspiracy territory (naturally) without offering a evidence, in my opinion.

1) "Who was running the country behind the scenes?" implies a shadow government or unelected cabal secretly making decisions. That’s par for the course with people who’re fairly ignorant with regard to how a government operates. Every President has necessary and large teams of advisors, cabinet members, civil servants, etc. Presidents delegate responsibilities. This isn’t some wild concept. And it’s not sinister nor unique to Biden.

2) His questions about who made Executive orders and policy decisions have an answer: Joe Biden and his administration. Like every other President that as ever been in office, Biden signs the orders, approves policy, and makes final calls with input from his staff. If someone disagrees with a policy, they should criticize the content, not invent a shadowy puppetmaster. This should be self-evident, but again, MAGAts don’t understand the government. Naturally.

3) Biden was "used and then thrown away?” -_- He was elected by over 81 million Americans. He's not a prop; he's a seasoned politician with decades of experience. If people thought he was sunsetting, fine. That’s part of a democracy to express your views.

4) Re: a cancer diagnosis, there’s no verified public report confirming that Biden had cancer while in office. I mean, he could’ve had it since his diagnosis was in May (?). I’m certainly open to correction if someone has a reliable source.

4) Ceeboo says his fantasy is a "real threat to democracy." But a real threat to democracy would be undermining faith in elections, spreading baseless conspiracy theories, attacking the Capitol, firing without cause FBI lawyers, and government employees, and attempting to reverse democratic by an autocrat. Asking questions is healthy. Making vague and unsubstantiated accusations is not.

Suggesting Biden was a puppet controlled by uNkOwN fOrCeS doesn’t just risks further degrading trust in democratic institutions like our Republic and the Constitution, and in our very own ability to self-govern.

- Doc

Add on the irony of unelected people like Musk making decisions with Trump's blessing, and ceeboo's assessment becomes just ridiculous. Ceeboo's comments sound like script written for a character in the movie Idiocracy.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

I think

I'm not convinced.

2) His questions about who made Executive orders and policy decisions have an answer: Joe Biden and his administration. Like every other President that as ever been in office, Biden signs the orders, approves policy, and makes final calls with input from his staff.

I got a chuckle out of all of your points, but this one was really special. In a thread titled "Auto pen", you post this.

You're funny!

You know Trump uses an autopen, too? Presidents routinely use it to handle the large volume of documents they have to sign. It’s a fully legal and historically standard practice.

God, you’re the damned human equivalent of a participation trophy.
- Doc

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Add on the irony of unelected people like Musk making decisions with Trump's blessing, and ceeboo's assessment becomes just ridiculous. Ceeboo's comments sound like script written for a character in the movie Idiocracy.

CeeBoob’s blind spot is so large it’d easily blot out Ton 618. His TDS is so dense it’d swallow Ton 618 in seconds.

- Doc

[canpakes]

You know Trump uses an autopen, too?

It’s an AutoSharpie. Get it right, Doc.

[Dr Exiled]

It seems obvious what was going on prior to Trump coming back into office.

While there are still a few vestigial folks who would stand firmly against this reality (as can be seen in the post we are discussing here), the great majority of Americans (80% plus would be my guess) have accepted this obvious reality at this point.

While I was not a fan of Biden, I do feel bad for him. In addition to the sad news surrounding his cancer diagnosis, I am deeply troubled by the many people that used him, while he was useful, and then when he was no longer useful, these many people threw Biden to the curb.

If we look past the disturbing shenanigans that were running rampant behind the Biden run for President (or to be more accurate, his sloth speed crawl for President), we are forced to face some deeply troubling implications. Who was this group of non-elected people that were running the country, behind the scenes, for four years. Who was making these executive orders. Who was creating policy and making decisions on policy. Who decided who was on the pardon list. Etc - Etc - Etc. The entire thing is beyond alarming, Talk about a real threat to democracy.

Yep. It looks like the junior associates were running the show, not Biden.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

While there are still a few vestigial folks who would stand firmly against this reality (as can be seen in the post we are discussing here), the great majority of Americans (80% plus would be my guess) have accepted this obvious reality at this point.

While I was not a fan of Biden, I do feel bad for him. In addition to the sad news surrounding his cancer diagnosis, I am deeply troubled by the many people that used him, while he was useful, and then when he was no longer useful, these many people threw Biden to the curb.

If we look past the disturbing shenanigans that were running rampant behind the Biden run for President (or to be more accurate, his sloth speed crawl for President), we are forced to face some deeply troubling implications. Who was this group of non-elected people that were running the country, behind the scenes, for four years. Who was making these executive orders. Who was creating policy and making decisions on policy. Who decided who was on the pardon list. Etc - Etc - Etc. The entire thing is beyond alarming, Talk about a real threat to democracy.

Yep. It looks like the junior associates were running the show, not Biden.

Source that, please. And while you’re doing that I’ll offer up my view of this nontroversy.

I’m sure most people are aware the Executive Office operates with a massive staff for a reason; a single person can’t personally vet and direct every line in every communication or document. It’s an impossibility. Who do you think it is keeps the show going when Dump hits the links? Delegating tasks isn’t abdication; it’s the most fundamental part managing a a presidency. The fact that a staff plays roles in decisions or document creation doesn’t mean Biden, or Dump, or Bush, or Obama wasn’t steering the ship.

The implication that Biden was absent or unaware, well, there’s no actual evidence showing that. Every administration relies on junior staff for groundwork and senior advisors for strategy. Trying to frame this normal delegation as scandal is desperate and stupid.

If anything, the “junior associates” doing their jobs proves the system functions as intended.

[canpakes]

I’m sure most people are aware the Executive Office operates with a massive staff for a reason; a single person can’t personally vet and direct every line in every communication or document. It’s an impossibility. Who do you think is keeps the show going when Dump hits the links? Delegating tasks isn’t abdication; it’s the most fundamental part managing a a presidency.

Unfortunately, you’re dealing with Ceeboo and Hound believing that Trump writes all Executive Actions, Proclamations, trade deals, negotiations and policy positions that come out of the White House. They’re stuck having that be their default position, which rational folks not infected with their derangement syndrome realize is a ludicrous position for them to believe.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

I’m sure most people are aware the Executive Office operates with a massive staff for a reason; a single person can’t personally vet and direct every line in every communication or document. It’s an impossibility. Who do you think is keeps the show going when Dump hits the links? Delegating tasks isn’t abdication; it’s the most fundamental part managing a a presidency.

Unfortunately, you’re dealing with Ceeboo and Hound believing that Trump writes all Executive Actions, Proclamations, trade deals, negotiations and policy positions that come out of the White House. They’re stuck having that be their default position, which rational folks not infected with their derangement syndrome realize is a ludicrous position for them to believe.

I think I’m honestly shocked that Dr. Exiled gets sucked into their delusions. He’s clearly a notch above with regard to to thinking and composing a good argument. - Doc