“The worst religious text I have ever read.”

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Gadianton wrote:
Tue Jul 01, 2025 11:58 pm
No. I would not say that at all.
Of course you wouldn't say it because you wouldn't admit the truth.
How in the world would you know the truth in this matter?
Gadianton wrote:
Tue Jul 01, 2025 11:58 pm
Yes. You have that right. Why would I spend time in a book I don't believe in? How much time do you spend reading Dianetics?
Thanks for your honesty. That does help me understand where you're coming from a bit better.

I spend zero time reading Dianetics. Ron Hubbard was a fruit cake loony tune. Scientology is cult, Yes, I know you may feel the same way about Joseph Smith and the LDS Church for what you consider to be good reason.

I feel differently on that count.

We can leave it there, if you want.

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Jul 02, 2025 12:07 am
I spend zero time reading Dianetics. Ron Hubbard was a fruit cake loony tune. Scientology is cult
You might be surprised when you die that it’s actually true. The consequences for calling Hubbard a loony tune might be really severe. Isn’t it worth investing some time to search your heart and ask in fervent prayer if it’s true? And even if it’s not true, Scientologists have really happy fulfilling lives.

(That’s what Mormons sound like)
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drumdude wrote:
Wed Jul 02, 2025 12:13 am
MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Jul 02, 2025 12:07 am
I spend zero time reading Dianetics. Ron Hubbard was a fruit cake loony tune. Scientology is cult
You might be surprised when you die that it’s actually true. The consequences for calling Hubbard a loony tune might be really severe. Isn’t it worth investing some time to search your heart and ask in fervent prayer if it’s true? And even if it’s not true, Scientologists have really happy fulfilling lives.

(That’s what Mormons sound like)
I'm aware of the fact that Mormonism and Scientology are often compared by non-believers as being similar in some respects. I get that. I think, however, that there are some qualitative differences in the two. The main one being that the CofJCofLDS and the fruits thereof seem to lead individuals and families in a direction and way of life that I see as being much more healthy and positive, in all respects, compared to Scientology.

If you believe otherwise, that is your prerogative.

Are there some 'hard things' in Mormonism? Sure. But I think that most sound minded people would agree that Scientology is really cultish. Not NEAR as many would say that about their Mormon neighbors down the street.

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Jul 02, 2025 12:07 am
I spend zero time reading Dianetics. Ron Hubbard was a fruitcake loony tune.

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MG
Maybe so, but he told his pal Robert Heinlein that he was a great admirer of Joseph Smith.

One of the posters here whom I greatly admire (but whose name I forget because my brain is turning to mush secondary to age) used to remark that Scientology is the canary in the mine for Mormonism.
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I feel differently on that count.
You think differently, no argument there, do you feel differently? I'm not convinced you feel the Book of Mormon is such a spectacular book, given your neglect of reading it a half hour a day. If I believed a book was the most correct on the face of the earth I would read it 1/2 a day without someone needing to tell me to do it.

I admit I'm speculating somewhat on your motives. I take into account what you say, but I also think about the believers in my life. In my mind, there's a big difference between feeling like you're supposed to feel the Book of Mormon is the most correct book on the face of the earth, and actually feeling like the Book of Mormon is the most correct book on the face of the earth. A lot of Mormons I knew, even myself when I was active, felt guilty at times for not reading it. A lot of people feel guilty, then with all their might commit themselves to reading, and it all falls apart three days later. They know they're supposed to feel over the moon about the Book of Mormon, but they just don't feel that way. Feeling like you're supposed to feel a certain way, and saying you feel that way when you don't, is different than actually feeling a certain way and behavior is consistent with the reported feelings.
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MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Jul 02, 2025 12:20 am
drumdude wrote:
Wed Jul 02, 2025 12:13 am
You might be surprised when you die that it’s actually true. The consequences for calling Hubbard a loony tune might be really severe. Isn’t it worth investing some time to search your heart and ask in fervent prayer if it’s true? And even if it’s not true, Scientologists have really happy fulfilling lives.

(That’s what Mormons sound like)
I'm aware of the fact that Mormonism and Scientology are often compared by non-believers as being similar in some respects. I get that. I think, however, that there are some qualitative differences in the two. The main one being that the CofJCofLDS and the fruits thereof seem to lead individuals and families in a direction and way of life that I see as being much more healthy and positive, in all respects, compared to Scientology.

If you believe otherwise, that is your prerogative.

Are there some 'hard things' in Mormonism? Sure. But I think that most sound minded people would agree that Scientology is really cultish. Not NEAR as many would say that about their Mormon neighbors down the street.

Regards,
MG
Remember, Scientology does not have the violence that the CofJCofLDS has in its history.

Also, since its beginning Scientology has welcomed people that are black into their fold. The LDS gave basic membership but non blacks had far more privilege including leadership.

The only thing scientology scores big on is how they go after apostates after they leave the fold, and per media reports, it can get excessive.

Scientology has a history of dealing with the IRS. Mormonism has a history of dealing with the IRS, the US military and law enforcement.
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