God is indiscriminately incapable or frivolous in his execution procedures? These do overs are curious and seem to be ad hoc justification for theological pasifications.huckelberry wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 10:39 pmOnly righteous saved with Noah? Some of the family are pictured as problematic. One would expect a story like that to be simplified, even so I would not expect only the bad guys died. The story goes people were violent and God wanted a start over. Innocent children would die in the story like they do in real floods.sock puppet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 3:10 pmThe Bible instructs that God killed the wicked on the earth via a flood, with the only "righteous" ones (Noah and his family) being saved on an ark.
Mormon scripture (D&C 59:21): “And in nothing doth man offend God, or against none is his wrath kindled, save those who confess not his hand in all things, and obey not his commandments.”
Are Mormons confessing God's hand in this past weekend's floods in Texas?
Did God save the righteous in that area, and only the wicked died?
I do not think there is an expectation only bad folks die in a flood, Biblical or otherwise.
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First Rusty can't get a revelation that would ever actually help a person that needed help and adding to that, he can't even convince the majority of his followers, 64%, to abstain from murder.
We can't take farmers and take all their people and send them back because they don't have maybe what they're supposed to have. They get rid of some of the people who have been there for 25 years and they work great and then you throw them out and they're replaced by criminals.
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Marcus you point out a disturbing bit of shortsighted selfish concern. It happens with other Christian groups or manipulative leaders as well as Mormons, repulsive in any group.Marcus wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 10:54 pmNo, not among rational people, but Mormon press releases regularly assert that Mormons were prevented from dying in a tragedy due to their '[Mormon-defined] goodness.' What's the difference?huckelberry wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 10:39 pmOnly righteous saved with Noah? Some of the family are pictured as problematic. One would expect a story like that to be simplified, even so I would not expect only the bad guys died. The story goes people were violent and God wanted a start over. Innocent children would die in the story like they do in real floods.
I do not think there is an expectation only bad folks die in a flood, Biblical or otherwise.
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Agreed.huckelberry wrote: ↑Tue Jul 08, 2025 12:41 amMarcus you point out a disturbing bit of shortsighted selfish concern. It happens with other Christian groups or manipulative leaders as well as Mormons, repulsive in any group.
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The SLC LDS Church promotes the belief that Apostles can control the weather through prayer…Marcus wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 10:54 pmNo, not among rational people, but Mormon press releases regularly assert that Mormons were prevented from dying in a tragedy due to their '[Mormon-defined] goodness.' What's the difference?huckelberry wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 10:39 pmOnly righteous saved with Noah? Some of the family are pictured as problematic. One would expect a story like that to be simplified, even so I would not expect only the bad guys died. The story goes people were violent and God wanted a start over. Innocent children would die in the story like they do in real floods.
I do not think there is an expectation only bad folks die in a flood, Biblical or otherwise.
The SLC LDS Church has a PR machine working 24/7 drawing targets around where Apostles’ arrows fall in convenient and coincidental places. Of course, they won’t make mention of how the prayers to stop the Texas flooding fell on deaf ears. They are only looking for stories that provide confirmation bias.Elder Andersen directed his prayer for the Republic of Cabo Verde.
“We thank Thee, Father, for the many blessings that have come to Cabo Verde since Elder Dallin H. Oaks first blessed this land nearly 30 years ago. We bless this land, as President Oaks did previously, that the land may bring forth abundantly for its people, that the clouds may produce rain, that the ocean may yield its fruit, and we bless the people of this land that they may have vision, energy and freedom, light and knowledge, ambition and hope, all strengthened by obedience to Thy commandments.”
When the Andersens walked out after the temple’s final dedication session, rain was falling — and continued through the following morning, Sister Andersen said. It was an immediate response to an Apostle’s prayer, when the region typically receives less than 1 millimeter (.039 of an inch) of rain in the month of June.
The Andersens’ driver in Praia called the rain “a miracle.” President David J. Wunderli of the Cape Verde Praia Mission told them that in his two years serving in Cabo Verde, he’s only seen rain in the months of August and September.
Cynics will say, “Of course, it rained — rain was in the day’s forecast.” But “the miracle of the rain” had many facets.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.