Question for Don Bradley

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[MG 2.0]

Nice.

Regards,
MG

[Everybody Wang Chung]

[Moksha]

We'll see! Times they are a changin'.

Regards,
MG

Pope Victor I: While not directly within the 3rd century (died 199), he was an African prelate who served as Bishop of Rome (Pope) in the late 2nd century. He was succeeded by others in the early 3rd century.

Saint Cyprian: Bishop of Carthage, a notable early Christian writer from a Berber family who lived and worked in the 3rd century.

Origen: Born in Alexandria, Egypt, he was a leading theologian and scholar in the early 3rd century.

Tertullian: Born in Carthage, he was one of the earliest writers of Latin Christian literature and coined the term "Trinity." He was active in the late 2nd and early 3rd centuries.

Perhaps in Mormonism, those with a darker skin have to start slow and work their way up till their white brethren accept them being there.

[Shulem]

Perhaps in Mormonism, those with a darker skin have to start slow and work their way up till their white brethren accept them being there.

The manmade priesthood organization headed by Brigham Young and racist cronies was bereft of the kind inspiration that transcends the world through universal love which embraces equality and inclusion.

Fakes and hypocrites:

Shame on Brigham Young!
Shame on John Taylor!
Shame on Wilford Woodruff
Shame on Lorenzo Snow
Shame on Joseph F. Smith
Shame on Heber J. Grant
Shame on George Albert Smith
Shame on David O. McKay
Shame on Joseph Fielding Smith
Shame on Harold B. Lee

[Shulem]

We'll see! Times they are a changin'.

Mormonism is evolving and changing with the times.

Here is one for the record book:

WIKIPEDIA — Curses of Cain and Ham and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

• Both church founder Joseph Smith, and his successor Brigham Young taught that Black people were under the curse of Ham and the curse of Cain.
• Young, while seemingly open to Black men holding the priesthood under Smith's leadership and praising of Black members of the church, later as Smith's successor used the curse as justification of barring Black people from the priesthood, banning interracial marriages, and opposing Black suffrage.
• Church president Brigham Young stated, "What is the mark? You will see it on the countenance of every African you ever did see....the Lord put a mark upon [Cain], which is the flat nose and black skin".
• The next president, Wilford Woodruff also affirmed that millions of people have Cain's mark of blackness drawing a parallel to modern Native Americans' "curse of redness".

[MG 2.0]

We'll see! Times they are a changin'.

Regards,
MG

Pope Victor I: While not directly within the 3rd century (died 199), he was an African prelate who served as Bishop of Rome (Pope) in the late 2nd century. He was succeeded by others in the early 3rd century.

Saint Cyprian: Bishop of Carthage, a notable early Christian writer from a Berber family who lived and worked in the 3rd century.

Origen: Born in Alexandria, Egypt, he was a leading theologian and scholar in the early 3rd century.

Tertullian: Born in Carthage, he was one of the earliest writers of Latin Christian literature and coined the term "Trinity." He was active in the late 2nd and early 3rd centuries.

Perhaps in Mormonism, those with a darker skin have to start slow and work their way up till their white brethren accept them being there.

I think that there is a cultural component. But like I said, times they are a changin'.

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

We'll see! Times they are a changin'.

Regards,
MG

Pope Victor I: While not directly within the 3rd century (died 199), he was an African prelate who served as Bishop of Rome (Pope) in the late 2nd century. He was succeeded by others in the early 3rd century.

Saint Cyprian: Bishop of Carthage, a notable early Christian writer from a Berber family who lived and worked in the 3rd century.

Origen: Born in Alexandria, Egypt, he was a leading theologian and scholar in the early 3rd century.

Tertullian: Born in Carthage, he was one of the earliest writers of Latin Christian literature and coined the term "Trinity." He was active in the late 2nd and early 3rd centuries.

Perhaps in Mormonism, those with a darker skin have to start slow and work their way up till their white brethren accept them being there.

Excellent points. Mormonism maintains a very biased position.

[Shulem]

Nice.

Regards,
MG

Everyone knows that white sheep are the dominant breed and black ones are the minority. This is especially true in the Mormon church wherein compared to other religious sects, black sheep are rare. This is particularly manifest in leadership where there are no black sheep at the top. Black sheep within a human family are perceived as being less valuable than white ones. The American Heritage Dictionary of Idioms says, "The term has typically been given negative implications, implying waywardness."

Here are examples of a Mormon leader noting how being black (although figuratively) is NOT beautiful but akin to being sinful:

We are all proud of the family of President Joseph F. Smith; they are exceptionally moral and clean; not a black sheep in the flock; pureminded, honest, virtuous boys and girls, worthy of their noble father and of their pure and noble mothers. We join with the President in saying, we are proud of every one of his children, and will be, so long as they follow in the footsteps of their faithful parents, so long as they serve God and keep His commandments, and remain as pure and virtuous as they are today.

President Joseph F. Smith was not only a Prophet; he was also a Patriarch— a fatherly man in every sense of the term. Second only to his loyalty and devotion to the work of God, was his warm and tender love for his family — his wives and children. Their welfare and happiness in time and for all eternity were his constant care.

And how rich was his recompense! In all that numerous flock of sons and daughters, not one "black sheep" is to be found, not one wanderer from the fold of the Good Shepherd.

I think it's reasonable to conclude that Mormons looked down on people of color, both figuratively and literally. This observation can also be applied to the black person of Facsimile No. 3 wherein it's assumed he's a slave simply because he was born black.

Isn't that right, MG?

[Shulem]

...To keep his own people from this curse, Nephi prophetically prohibits the Nephites from marrying Lamanites, claiming that the Lamanites were marked with "a skin of blackness" to discourage such intermarriage (vv. 21-23).

However, despite their genetic and geographical isolation, the Lamanites were to fulfill an important function in the Nephite covenant.

The "Nephite covenant" includes the promise of a bodily resurrection in which the faithful would enter into heaven with newly formed bodies fashioned after the ones they had on earth. Alma touches on this very doctrine:

The soul shall be restored to the body, and the body to the soul; yea, and every limb and joint shall be restored to its body; yea, even a hair of the head shall not be lost; but all things shall be restored to their proper and perfect frame.

Elder Russell M. Nelson in 1992 General Conference quoted the above verse in Alma and explained how the resurrection of the physical body will encompass the same unique genetic code which was had by the earthly body:

The Lord who created us in the first place surely has power to do it again. The same necessary elements now in our bodies will still be available—at His command. The same unique genetic code now embedded in each of our living cells will still be available to format new ones then. The miracle of the Resurrection, wondrous as it will be, is marvelously matched by the miracle of our creation in the first place.

Questions for Don Bradley:

1. In the resurrection, will the fair skinned Nephites be raised up having white skin?
2. In the resurrection, will the dark skinned Lamanites be raised up having dark skin?
3. In the resurrection, will black Africans be raised up with black skin?

Speak up, Don, you coward!