DCP's ongoing problem with plagiarism

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Marcus wrote:
Fri Jun 06, 2025 8:53 pm
drumdude wrote:
Fri Jun 06, 2025 2:46 pm
Since his blog is monetized, it’s unethical and it’s stealing other people’s work for personal financial gain. No matter how small, that’s what he’s doing...
[bolding added.]

This is the key argument against Peterson's insistence that his personal blog isn't really 'published' material, therefore it's not plagiarism. His blog entries contain many, many instances of stealing the intellectual property of other authors. Just because he thinks it's okay to steal their material because he's not really 'publishing' it doesn't mean it's not theft of intellectual property.

In fact, the institutions who legitimately publish works by the people he steals from uniformly define what he is doing on his blog as theft of intellectual property. Everyone is in agreement, from patheos to BYU to Wikipedia to every source Peterson steals from: Plagiarism is defined is stealing someone else's work, regardless of where you put it.

Additionally, this thread documents a multitude of Peterson's plagiarized publications across more than just his blog. It documents his plagiarisms at the Deseret News, the LDS meridian and lifestyle magazines, and even in the Interpreter itself.
A couple cursory searches of his blog don’t show him ever defending himself on these points. He will write 1,000 words whenever Noel says something asinine, but it seems he can’t be bothered to attempt a defense here.

What can he say, except that he doesn’t care. The evidence is damning and clear. And it just keeps piling up.
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drumdude wrote:
Fri Jun 06, 2025 11:55 pm
Marcus wrote:
Fri Jun 06, 2025 8:53 pm
[bolding added.]

This is the key argument against Peterson's insistence that his personal blog isn't really 'published' material, therefore it's not plagiarism. His blog entries contain many, many instances of stealing the intellectual property of other authors. Just because he thinks it's okay to steal their material because he's not really 'publishing' it doesn't mean it's not theft of intellectual property.

In fact, the institutions who legitimately publish works by the people he steals from uniformly define what he is doing on his blog as theft of intellectual property. Everyone is in agreement, from patheos to BYU to Wikipedia to every source Peterson steals from: Plagiarism is defined is stealing someone else's work, regardless of where you put it.

Additionally, this thread documents a multitude of Peterson's plagiarized publications across more than just his blog. It documents his plagiarisms at the Deseret News, the LDS meridian and lifestyle magazines, and even in the Interpreter itself.
A couple cursory searches of his blog don’t show him ever defending himself on these points. He will write 1,000 words whenever Noel says something asinine, but it seems he can’t be bothered to attempt a defense here.

What can he say, except that he doesn’t care. The evidence is damning and clear. And it just keeps piling up.
At first, he did a few mea culpas, but how many times can you say, 'oops, sorry, I didn't realize I did that' before your readers stop believing you? I think he assumes his readers are relatively isolated and easily manipulated, so if he doesn't mention the specifics, they'll never know. He has defined my work as an attack on him, and as long as he just defines himself as a long suffering victim, his readers will never know.

I think he underestimates many who are in his audience, however. In the 2 days since I posted his latest plagiarism, this thread has been viewed over 1000 times. People know what he does.
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He has been absolutely brazen in the past about disregarding consequences. On the matter of the 2nd Watson Letter, he used to taunt people: “Go ahead and report it! If it’s a problem, surely we’ll be fired, if not worse!” I don’t know where he got the idea that he could get away with such blatantly unethical and degenerate behavior, but he seems very confident that he’s essentially untouchable.
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drumdude wrote:
Fri Jun 06, 2025 2:46 pm
I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Jun 06, 2025 1:10 pm
Those are fair points. But I don’t know another Mormon so-called “scholar” that plagiarises. Peterson stands apart as a prolific plagiariser. He’s a serial offender, and he knows he’s a serial offender. He justifies it by thinking “it’s just a blog, so scholarly standards don’t apply”.
Since his blog is monetized, it’s unethical and it’s stealing other people’s work for personal financial gain. No matter how small, that’s what he’s doing.

I think it indicates how little he values personal, moral, and intellectual integrity, and that shows in his apologetic work. If he can spread lies which promote Mormonism, he’s more than happy to do so.
It’s shown in everything he’s done. Take the Everybody Wang Chung signature line. DCP promised to write two books whilst on a sabbatical from BYU, he broke that promise.
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Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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Online one can find an essay titled:
"Scientist of the Day - Immanuel Kant"

This entry is dated April 22, 2015, and is credited to this author:

Dr. William B. Ashworth, Jr., Consultant for the History of Science, Linda Hall Library and Associate Professor, Department of History, University of Missouri-Kansas City

https://www.lindahall.org/about/news/sc ... nuel-kant/

Here is the first paragraph:
Immanuel Kant, a German philosopher, was born Apr. 22, 1724. Nearly every short biography of Kant includes a quotation from the end of the Critique of Practical Reason (1788), where Kant says: “Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe…: the starry heaven above me and the moral law within me." That is indeed a handsome phrase, and one can see why biographers are much taken with it. However, such biographies almost always go immediately on to discuss Kant as moral philosopher and pass right over the first part of Kant's dicta, that the heavens and its laws are worthy of our admiration.
Professor Peterson,
in a June 24, 2025 entry,
puts a small amount of effort into rearranging Dr. Ashworth's paragraph into what is typically (yes, even at BYU) defined as 'mosiac plagiarism':
DCP wrote: “Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and reverence, the more often and the more steadily reflection is occupied with them: the starry heaven above me and the moral law within me.”

The passage comes from the conclusion of his 1788 Kritik der praktischen Vernunft (the Critique of Practical Reason), one of Kant’s most important works, which focused on one of his central interests, moral philosophy. And, unsurprisingly, most of those who cite the passage proceed thereupon to discuss Kant as a moral philosopher. But he also paid serious attention to astronomy; he wasn’t merely writing an eloquent sentence with a nice parallelism between the deliverances of the conscience and the objective reality of the night sky.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... onomy.html
Back to the source:
Kant did more than just admire the heavens--he made several notable contributions to astronomy and cosmology before he descended the slippery slope into philosophy. In the 1750s, Kant read a review in a German journal of a book by Thomas Wright, An Original Theory or New Hypothesis of the Universe (1750). The reviewer said that Wright claimed that the Milky Way was a clue to the distribution of stars in space, but the reviewer did not explain what that distribution was (the second image above, showing a cross-section of the Milky Way, is from Wright’s book, but Kant never saw it). Kant read this and immediately concluded that if we see a band of stars across the heavens, it must be because our star system is shaped like a broad thin disk, with the sun at the center. In a word, Kant proposed not only the existence of our Galaxy, but its proper shape. He announced his conclusion in Allgemeine Naturgeschichte und Theorie des Himmels (A Universal Natural History and Theory of the Heavens, 1755).

In this book, Kant also suggested that some of the lens-shaped nebulae in the sky, such as the nebula in Andromeda (third image above) might be galaxies of stars just like our Milky Way Galaxy. However, Kant's innovative ideas went unnoticed for a long time. His publisher went bankrupt just as the book was printed; copies were confiscated by the courts and most of them disappeared. Even later printings are very scarce. We have in the History of Science Collection a copy of the second edition (1798), and we are very pleased to have it (fourth image above). We displayed it in our 2010 exhibition, Thinking outside the Sphere.
And now, Professor Peterson's take. He must have tired of mosaic plagiarism, or maybe he thought he could hide behind the first paragraph. For Whatever reason, this passage drops into word-for-word stealing of this intellectual property. The exact wording he steals is in blue:
Professor Daniel C. Peterson, plagiarizing, wrote: Immanuel Kant did far more than merely passively admire the heavens: He made several notable contributions to astronomy and cosmology before coming to concentrate on philosophy. In the 1750s, Kant read a review in a German journal of a book by Thomas Wright, An Original Theory or New Hypothesis of the Universe (1750). The reviewer said that Wright asserted that the Milky Way was a clue to the distribution of stars in space. This idea evidently caught Kant’s attention, and he soon concluded that, since we often see a clear and distinct band of stars across the heavens — the Milky Way — it must be because our star system is shaped like a broad thin disk and because we are looking at it edgewise In other words, Kant proposed not only the existence of our galaxy, but its proper shape.

Kant announced his conclusion in a 1755 book entitled Allgemeine Naturgeschichte und Theorie des Himmels (A Universal Natural History and Theory of the Heavens). In this book, he also suggested that some of the lens-shaped nebulae in the sky, such as the nebula in Andromeda, might be galaxies of stars just like our own Milky Way galaxy. However, Kant’s innovative ideas remained unnoticed for a long time. His publisher went bankrupt just as the book was printed; copies were confiscated by the courts and most of them disappeared. Even later printings of the book are very rare (and, accordingly, quite valuable)
Professor Peterson may attempt to argue, once again, that these are 'just notes' that he accidentally quoted, and of course he will properly attribute them in his future publications (just not this publication).

The problem is that it is obvious that Peterson made a sophomoric effort to rearrange the pronouns and change up some synonyms, apparently in an attempt to show he didn't plagiarize. However, his own University's Honor Code spells out quite clearly that attempts like that still constitute plagiarism.

The ongoing lack of integrity seen in Peterson's persistent habit of plagiarism is beyond explanation. How does he justify this level of dishonesty in himself?
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Marcus wrote:
Sat Jul 19, 2025 5:25 pm
Online one can find an essay titled:
"Scientist of the Day - Immanuel Kant"

This entry is dated April 22, 2015, and is credited to this author:

Dr. William B. Ashworth, Jr., Consultant for the History of Science, Linda Hall Library and Associate Professor, Department of History, University of Missouri-Kansas City

https://www.lindahall.org/about/news/sc ... nuel-kant/

Here is the first paragraph:
Immanuel Kant, a German philosopher, was born Apr. 22, 1724. Nearly every short biography of Kant includes a quotation from the end of the Critique of Practical Reason (1788), where Kant says: “Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe…: the starry heaven above me and the moral law within me." That is indeed a handsome phrase, and one can see why biographers are much taken with it. However, such biographies almost always go immediately on to discuss Kant as moral philosopher and pass right over the first part of Kant's dicta, that the heavens and its laws are worthy of our admiration.
Professor Peterson,
in a June 24, 2025 entry,
puts a small amount of effort into rearranging Dr. Ashworth's paragraph into what is typically (yes, even at BYU) defined as 'mosiac plagiarism':
DCP wrote: “Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and reverence, the more often and the more steadily reflection is occupied with them: the starry heaven above me and the moral law within me.”

The passage comes from the conclusion of his 1788 Kritik der praktischen Vernunft (the Critique of Practical Reason), one of Kant’s most important works, which focused on one of his central interests, moral philosophy. And, unsurprisingly, most of those who cite the passage proceed thereupon to discuss Kant as a moral philosopher. But he also paid serious attention to astronomy; he wasn’t merely writing an eloquent sentence with a nice parallelism between the deliverances of the conscience and the objective reality of the night sky.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... onomy.html
Back to the source:
Kant did more than just admire the heavens--he made several notable contributions to astronomy and cosmology before he descended the slippery slope into philosophy. In the 1750s, Kant read a review in a German journal of a book by Thomas Wright, An Original Theory or New Hypothesis of the Universe (1750). The reviewer said that Wright claimed that the Milky Way was a clue to the distribution of stars in space, but the reviewer did not explain what that distribution was (the second image above, showing a cross-section of the Milky Way, is from Wright’s book, but Kant never saw it). Kant read this and immediately concluded that if we see a band of stars across the heavens, it must be because our star system is shaped like a broad thin disk, with the sun at the center. In a word, Kant proposed not only the existence of our Galaxy, but its proper shape. He announced his conclusion in Allgemeine Naturgeschichte und Theorie des Himmels (A Universal Natural History and Theory of the Heavens, 1755).

In this book, Kant also suggested that some of the lens-shaped nebulae in the sky, such as the nebula in Andromeda (third image above) might be galaxies of stars just like our Milky Way Galaxy. However, Kant's innovative ideas went unnoticed for a long time. His publisher went bankrupt just as the book was printed; copies were confiscated by the courts and most of them disappeared. Even later printings are very scarce. We have in the History of Science Collection a copy of the second edition (1798), and we are very pleased to have it (fourth image above). We displayed it in our 2010 exhibition, Thinking outside the Sphere.
And now, Professor Peterson's take. He must have tired of mosaic plagiarism, or maybe he thought he could hide behind the first paragraph. For Whatever reason, this passage drops into word-for-word stealing of this intellectual property. The exact wording he steals is in blue:
Professor Daniel C. Peterson, plagiarizing, wrote: Immanuel Kant did far more than merely passively admire the heavens: He made several notable contributions to astronomy and cosmology before coming to concentrate on philosophy. In the 1750s, Kant read a review in a German journal of a book by Thomas Wright, An Original Theory or New Hypothesis of the Universe (1750). The reviewer said that Wright asserted that the Milky Way was a clue to the distribution of stars in space. This idea evidently caught Kant’s attention, and he soon concluded that, since we often see a clear and distinct band of stars across the heavens — the Milky Way — it must be because our star system is shaped like a broad thin disk and because we are looking at it edgewise In other words, Kant proposed not only the existence of our galaxy, but its proper shape.

Kant announced his conclusion in a 1755 book entitled Allgemeine Naturgeschichte und Theorie des Himmels (A Universal Natural History and Theory of the Heavens). In this book, he also suggested that some of the lens-shaped nebulae in the sky, such as the nebula in Andromeda, might be galaxies of stars just like our own Milky Way galaxy. However, Kant’s innovative ideas remained unnoticed for a long time. His publisher went bankrupt just as the book was printed; copies were confiscated by the courts and most of them disappeared. Even later printings of the book are very rare (and, accordingly, quite valuable)
Professor Peterson may attempt to argue, once again, that these are 'just notes' that he accidentally quoted, and of course he will properly attribute them in his future publications (just not this publication).

The problem is that it is obvious that Peterson made a sophomoric effort to rearrange the pronouns and change up some synonyms, apparently in an attempt to show he didn't plagiarize. However, his own University's Honor Code spells out quite clearly that attempts like that still constitute plagiarism.

The ongoing lack of integrity seen in Peterson's persistent habit of plagiarism is beyond explanation. How does he justify this level of dishonesty in himself?
Folks, you really can’t make this stuff up.

Peter$on’s dishonesty, lack of integrity and persistent plagiarism defies explanation.
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I Have Questions wrote:
Sat Jun 07, 2025 9:24 am
drumdude wrote:
Fri Jun 06, 2025 2:46 pm
Since his blog is monetized, it’s unethical and it’s stealing other people’s work for personal financial gain. No matter how small, that’s what he’s doing.

I think it indicates how little he values personal, moral, and intellectual integrity, and that shows in his apologetic work. If he can spread lies which promote Mormonism, he’s more than happy to do so.
It’s shown in everything he’s done. Take the Everybody Wang Chung signature line. DCP promised to write two books whilst on a sabbatical from BYU, he broke that promise.
I have a couple of thoughts. My understanding sabbatical includes an intended purpose not a contract. It is also possible he finished two books which found no publisher. Of course he may have gotten distracted.
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huckelberry wrote:
Sat Jul 19, 2025 6:38 pm
I Have Questions wrote:
Sat Jun 07, 2025 9:24 am
It’s shown in everything he’s done. Take the Everybody Wang Chung signature line. DCP promised to write two books whilst on a sabbatical from BYU, he broke that promise.
I have a couple of thoughts. My understanding sabbatical includes an intended purpose not a contract. It is also possible he finished two books which found no publisher. Of course he may have gotten distracted.
I believe sabbaticals in academia are typically 6 months to one year. A poem, if you’ll indulge me:

Lots and lots of manuscripts,

besotted t’was he

with the written word,

Ne’er a promised book

did he deliver to BYU.

A sabbatical! He reasoned,

t’is all he needs.

A sabbatical, that now

is in it’s 232nd week?

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Sat Jul 19, 2025 8:10 pm
huckelberry wrote:
Sat Jul 19, 2025 6:38 pm
I have a couple of thoughts. My understanding sabbatical includes an intended purpose not a contract. It is also possible he finished two books which found no publisher. Of course he may have gotten distracted.
I believe sabbaticals in academia are typically 6 months to one year. A poem, if you’ll indulge me:

Lots and lots of manuscripts,

besotted t’was he

with the written word,

Ne’er a promised book

did he deliver to BYU.

A sabbatical! He reasoned,

t’is all he needs.

A sabbatical, that now

is in it’s 232nd week?

- Doc
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No, t'is the world would be reduced not enhanced.

But prophets decry it pleadingly.

Not I or him as the previous service counts.
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