YouTuber Alyssa Grenfell Has Cost The Church 2.4 Million Dollars

[MG 2.0]

I've heard this trope over and over again over the years. It deserves no response.

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MG

So shouldn’t you have typed TTOC? Or can’t you remain consistent on that either?

It is my decision/choice as to when I use TTOC as a response. I know when to use it.

Regards,
MG

[Rivendale]

It's sometimes said that the Church is guarding its wealth to see humanity through some kind of catastrophe that only hundreds of billions of dollars can handle.

That makes me wonder, however: for any such imaginable catastrophe (perhaps I lack imagination) is it likely that the Church would be able to do anything with its vast wealth, tied up as it is in property and investments? Even liquid/near liquid investments may be worthless if, for example, a big asteroid were to precipitate an ice age.

I guess my question should be: what kinds of (likely worldwide) catastrophes requiring such vast amounts of wealth could actually be mitigated with the form(s) of wealth the Church has? Or any reasonable forms of wealth? I'm open to suggestions.

Risk management professionals would agree with your sentiments here, 100%.

The Church isn’t really saving up money for some sort of catastrophe. For example, say the only way a catastrophe could be avoided was by Goldman Sachs receiving a bailout, and the only institution in the world with enough assets to bail them out was the Church. Would the Church do that? Of course not. Even if that were the right thing to do, they wouldn’t have the courage and altruism to make that decision.

The truth is the world is already suffering catastrophes. Today is a rainy day.

Do you think they are suffering from wealth embarrassment? Is it a vestige of past leaders and corporate structure who struggled with keeping the church above water? I can't imagine the atmosphere in those church meetings when Ensign Peaks bottom line was disclosed to the top leaders. Do you think they were overwhelmed with the idea that this was god sanctioned and they merely weren't sure what that purpose was/is? It is such an incredible amount of money to have in just 20 short years I can't help but think prosperity gospel echoed in those meetings.

[I Have Questions]

So shouldn’t you have typed TTOC? Or can’t you remain consistent on that either?

It is my decision/choice as to when I use TTOC as a response. I know when to use it.

Regards,
MG

Apparently not

[Analytics]

Do you think they are suffering from wealth embarrassment? Is it a vestige of past leaders and corporate structure who struggled with keeping the church above water? I can't imagine the atmosphere in those church meetings when Ensign Peaks bottom line was disclosed to the top leaders. Do you think they were overwhelmed with the idea that this was god sanctioned and they merely weren't sure what that purpose was/is? It is such an incredible amount of money to have in just 20 short years I can't help but think prosperity gospel echoed in those meetings.

Wealth embarrassment? Absolutely. What is perfectly clear to me is that after the Mormon Inc. cover story on Time came out in 1997, Hinckley’s reaction was to hide the money. That is why they created EPA in the first place. The idea was that if the Church donated the money to an outside charity (i.e. Ensign Peak Advisors), the assets would no longer be on the Church’s balance sheet. Consequently, if they were forced to disclose the Church’s financial statements, the EPA money wouldn’t be on them.

Of course when the whistle blower report came out in 2019, the Church did a 180 on this. Even though EPA is a standalone public charity in its own right, it’s really an integrated auxiliary of the Church. EPA is simply the Church’s investment arm. They had to make this case in order to avoid taxes.

I think it was appropriate to start building up reserves in the 1960’s, but by the 1980’s, the reserves were high enough and they needed to stop. But they didn’t have the vision or courage to change course.

[MG 2.0]

It is my decision/choice as to when I use TTOC as a response. I know when to use it.

Regards,
MG

Apparently not

Yes, I do.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

Wow. This may say more about you than it does those "low IQ" folks. In regards to "low moral character" that hasn't been my observation at all. Some of the most moral people on the planet are those that attend the LDS Church on Sunday.

Would Alyssa Grenfell be "such a lovely person" if she was still a member of the church? What's changed??

Regards,
MG

Those are just my observations as someone who was Mormon and has personally seen the best people in my ward leave one by one.

I imagine she was just as lovely when she believed silly things like that Jews traveled to the Americas in 600BC.

Still confused. What do you mean by "best"? Also, Alyssa left the church at an early age. Do you think she had given adequate time and effort and prayer to determining what was 'true'? I would suppose that your answer is, "yes!" Why?

Regards,
MG

[sock puppet]

Those are just my observations as someone who was Mormon and has personally seen the best people in my ward leave one by one.

I imagine she was just as lovely when she believed silly things like that Jews traveled to the Americas in 600BC.

Still confused. What do you mean by "best"? Also, Alyssa left the church at an early age. Do you think she had given adequate time and effort and prayer to determining what was 'true'? I would suppose that your answer is, "yes!" Why?

Regards,
MG

I envision the best that drumdude is referring to being the most kind, the most generous--those that best embodied Jesus' beatitudes--as those that left, one by one. The pharisaical ones remain active in the ward.

[Rivendale]

Still confused. What do you mean by "best"? Also, Alyssa left the church at an early age. Do you think she had given adequate time and effort and prayer to determining what was 'true'? I would suppose that your answer is, "yes!" Why?

Regards,
MG

I envision the best that drumdude is referring to being the most kind, the most generous--those that best embodied Jesus' beatitudes--as those that left, one by one. The pharisaical ones remain active in the ward.

I am puzzled as to why someone has to curate a testimony. How much time should Alyssa need? Does she have to pound on the door until her knuckles are bloody?

[MG 2.0]

Still confused. What do you mean by "best"? Also, Alyssa left the church at an early age. Do you think she had given adequate time and effort and prayer to determining what was 'true'? I would suppose that your answer is, "yes!" Why?

Regards,
MG

I envision the best that drumdude is referring to being the most kind, the most generous--those that best embodied Jesus' beatitudes--as those that left, one by one. The pharisaical ones remain active in the ward.

Wow. I think you've got that wrong.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

I envision the best that drumdude is referring to being the most kind, the most generous--those that best embodied Jesus' beatitudes--as those that left, one by one. The pharisaical ones remain active in the ward.

I am puzzled as to why someone has to curate a testimony. How much time should Alyssa need? Does she have to pound on the door until her knuckles are bloody?

A testimony for most people is a line upon line and precept upon precept process. Yes, curated. Some people are for some reason blessed with a sudden and undeniable witness of God's love and His presence in their lives. I suppose that isn't for us to judge, who receives that and who doesn't. What I do think/believe is that there are too many folks that want to travel down 'easy street' when it might be necessary for them to exercise a particle of faith and increase that faith until they receive a similar witness and/or understanding of the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

The Twitter/X generation. Instant gratification. Tic Toc and the like.

Question. Did Alyssa have a testimony of Jesus Christ? If so, where did it go when she left the church? Did she really ever have one? A testimony of Jesus Christ/God supersedes everything else. If you had a testimony of Christ and His mission did you retain that testimony after you no longer attended church? Some folks do. Lynn Wilder, for example (look her up). Apparently her faith and devotion was based on the Savior first. She retained her belief in Jesus and His salvific power. She lost her faith in Joseph Smith and the Restoration.

Regards,
MG